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smokin_joe
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 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: Lost City "could rewrite history" |
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Lost city 'could rewrite history'
The city is believed to predate the Harappan civilisation
By BBC News Online's Tom Housden
The remains of what has been described as a huge lost city may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history.
Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old.
The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.
The site was discovered by chance last year by oceanographers from India's National Institute of Ocean Technology conducting a survey of pollution. Using sidescan sonar - which sends a beam of sound waves down to the bottom of the ocean they identified huge geometrical structures at a depth of 120ft.
Debris recovered from the site - including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture and human bones and teeth has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old.
Lost civilisation
The city is believed to be even older than the ancient Harappan civilisation, which dates back around 4,000 years. Marine archaeologists have used a technique known as sub-bottom profiling to show that the buildings remains stand on enormous foundations.
The whole model of the origins of civilisation will have to be remade from scratch-Graham Hancock
Author and film-maker Graham Hancock - who has written extensively on the uncovering of ancient civilisations - told BBC News Online that the evidence was compelling:
"The [oceanographers] found that they were dealing with two large blocks of apparently man made structures. "Cities on this scale are not known in the archaeological record until roughly 4,500 years ago when the first big cities begin to appear in Mesopotamia.
"Nothing else on the scale of the underwater cities of Cambay is known. The first cities of the historical period are as far away from these cities as we are today from the pyramids of Egypt," he said.
Chronological problem
Harappan remains have been found in India and Pakistan
This, Mr Hancock told BBC News Online, could have massive repercussions for our view of the ancient world.
"There's a huge chronological problem in this discovery. It means that the whole model of the origins of civilisation with which archaeologists have been working will have to be remade from scratch," he said.
However, archaeologist Justin Morris from the British Museum said more work would need to be undertaken before the site could be categorically said to belong to a 9,000 year old civilisation.
"Culturally speaking, in that part of the world there were no civilisations prior to about 2,500 BC. What's happening before then mainly consisted of small, village settlements," he told BBC News Online.
Dr Morris added that artefacts from the site would need to be very carefully analysed, and pointed out that the C14 carbon dating process is not without its error margins.
It is believed that the area was submerged as ice caps melted at the end of the last ice age 9-10,000 years ago
Although the first signs of a significant find came eight months ago, exploring the area has been extremely difficult because the remains lie in highly treacherous waters, with strong currents and rip tides.
The Indian Minister for Human Resources and ocean development said a group had been formed to oversee further studies in the area.
"We have to find out what happened then ... where and how this civilisation vanished," he said.
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| Excellent post SJ! This is the first good article that I've seen about this discovery. |
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I agree bgak...good post SJ!....wonder how far this will go in mainstream media and debates or discussions publicly.....then again..nah their too busy with "other" things 
No need for sending waves through the "set in stone" way of thinking |
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Yeah great post ,Amazing .....i wonder how long such a culture existed ?
I mean it must have taken a few thousand years at least,probably much more to develop a culture large and advanced enough to do this.
And where did they go when the ice cometh ? |
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Good post, Joe.
The more artifacts and cities discovered show how wrong the current beliefs of our origins and age are. I hope Leakey and his smug followers are forced to choke on their "theories" in the near future.
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If you follow the Annunaki myths or the traditional Indian female god lore. They spread into Sumeria, Africa, and into the Steppes of Asia. I believe. *shrug*
I agree with West Texas. It's just too bad they didn't release these things sooner. It's like dying from a disease and being told the cure can't be given to you because it's still being tested.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: Underwater prymids off the coast of Cuba |
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SJ,
Have you heard anymore about the Atlantean structures found off the coast of Cuba 2 years ago.. with supposed crystal capstones?
Or the underwater city found just past the straits of Gibraltar? Old Herculaneum..? |
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| Has anyone heard anything lately about an ancient stone structure that was found at a construction site at Miami Beach? It was a big deal on Art Bell's radio show a few years ago. It was supposedly dated at 11,000yrs old & the company that was building on the site wanted to build over it untill someone got a temporary injunction untill it could be examined. The story was in the Miami newspapers & then it just went away. |
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| Has anyone heard anything lately about an ancient stone structure that was found at a construction site at Miami Beach? It was a big deal on Art Bell's radio show a few years ago. It was supposedly dated at 11,000yrs old & the company that was building on the site wanted to build over it untill someone got a temporary injunction untill it could be examined. The story was in the Miami newspapers & then it just went away. |
It turned out to be part of a structure that was a duplicate of Stonehenge, it was examined for a short time but the builder had the injunction overturned and they destroved the site and built on it.
Something is very wrong with the decision to destroy and build there, I cannot fathom the reasoning for the decision. |
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| Thanks Texan! That's what I thought probably happened. From what I heard on Coast to Coast at the time, it was a significant historical site that should have been preserved. |
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I don’t know if any of you folks have noticed this recent post on grahamhancock.com, but Badrinaryan Badrinaryan, who was the chief geologist with the 2000-2001 scientific team from India’s National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT), has posted an article in which he expresses his belief that the Harappan Civilization of Pakistan and Northwest India, which emerged around 2300 BCE and which lasted for approximately fifteen hundred years until about 800 BCE, developed out of a city-state now submerged between 20 and 40 meters in the Gulf of Cambay, about 20 kilometers off the West Indian coast. Badrinaryan notes that, during the so-called Last Glacial Maxima (c. 16,000 BCE), the sea level in the area was a good 130 meters lower than it presently is, and the ruins can be found near ancient river channels at the bottom of Gulf which are undersea extensions of current river beds. Unfortunately, divers cannot work the turbulent and silty waters, since the area is one of the roughest seas on the entire planet. His article, however, is quite tantalizing, since the conventional wisdom is that city-states first arose in Mesopotamia around 2500 BCE. I hope that you enjoy it.
Source: Badrinaryan Badrinaryan, “Gulf of Cambay Cradle of Ancient Civilization”
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My opinion, which while 'proofless', seems sound from information I have read over the years, is this...; We will eventually find that there has been multiple overlapping rises and falls of 'advanced' GLOBAL civilizations, and that there is not any ONE seat of human beginnings, as we have come from somewhere else originally(off planet), whether started here by an alien race genetically or colonized here.
There is another theory that we 'humans' were placed here to be 'watched' due to our vicious nature for destruction, until such time as we evolve from it, by a 'Galactic Federation'. Hence the myth of a prison planet, and continued manipulation and secret control by 'aliens'.
That we were placed here on this constantly changing environment of a planet to keep us 'down' until we change. Therefore giving us a good reason as to why our continued human history is kept secret from us as a whole. |
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Thank You for finding that article!!!!!!
I've been watching for stuff like this and collecting it for quite some time, I call it the 10K Barrier which is really term because the articles I collect are about things between 9000 and 12000 BP, with older stuff welcome. It's been my opinion for quite some time that some BIG happened during that period that was lost to our history. Not just what happened to the civilization but who were these people etcetera.
I also suspect that sooner or later the world is going to find evidence of a pre-aboriginal civilization in Austrailia, or atleast a higher-than-austrailian-aborigne-tech civilization on that continent. |
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Here's the latest on these underwater structures in India...
Experts survey seabed off Gujarat for Dwarka evidence
New Delhi, Aug 17 : A group of archaeological experts and Indian Navy divers have conducted the first scientific survey off the Gujarat coast to establish whether or not the ruins on the seabed are of the mythological city of Dwarka, the capital of Hindu god Krishna.
"The area off the Samudranaraya temple at (present day) Dwarka is known to contain structures which have been widely reported and interpreted by renowned scholars. However, no scientific study of the area had been conducted so far," Alok Tripathi of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) told reporters here Friday.
"We found building blocks and collected samples. These have been sent for dating to establish the antiquity of the site," Tripathi, who is the ASI's only marine archaeologist, added.
A 21-member team conducted the survey in January-February. It comprised 10 specialists from the ASI and 11 divers of the Indian Navy. A report on the survey will be presented at a seminar on the Maritime Heritage of the Indian Ocean here Aug 23-24.
"While the ASI has the requisite data and archaeological expertise, the Indian Navy has the necessary wherewithal and expertise for subsurface search, exploration and recovery of artefacts," Rear Admiral, S.P.S. Cheema, assistant chief of naval staff (Information Warfare and Operations), explained of the collaboration.
"Before the excavation, naval divers were indoctrinated by ASI experts on the procedures and method to be followed during the investigation. These included aspects like documentation, controlled digging, and the retrieval, packaging and transportation of samples," Cheema said.
"The idea was to achieve maximum extraction without damaging the environment," he added.
Before commencing diving operations, a specialised naval hydrographic team systematically surveyed the area off Dwarka with the help of multi-beam sonar and side-scan sonar. The navy had deployed its survey ship INS Nirdeshak for this in November 2006.
"This enabled us generate a 3D model of the seabed so we could narrow down the area of search. We initially marked out a 200 metre by 200 metre area and eventually narrowed this down to 50x50 metre area," Tripathi explained.
This is the third time such a joint operation has been undertaken. The first was in 2002 off Bagram in the Lakshwadeep Islands in the Arabian Sea to unearth the remains of the Princess Royal, a British passenger ship that sank in the 19th century.
In 2005, submerged remains off Mahabalipuram in Tamil Nadu were unearthed.
--- IANS
http://www.newkerala.com/july.php?action=fullnews&id=54460 |
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Wow! That's just an amazing discovery! More proof that we have only begun to scratch the surface of our history. It's especially gratifying when all those who cried, "Myth" and "Fantasy" when describing earlier texts referrencing these places have to eat crow.  I love it. Thanks for sharing the article.  |
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