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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
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Dejarma. I haven't got a clue as to why me. No way do I know why. .


You are close to them on a regular basis so you say. You travel to other planets with them & experienced alien cultures & yet, after all this time you’ve no idea why Rolling Eyes Are you not curious “why”? Have you ever asked them “why”? Are you bothered “why”? I sure as hell would be!
Strange how life works isn’t it: in your fantasies you’ve done all these amazing unbelievable things & yet in the real world you’ve not, at the age of 65 even set foot outside your own country yet Wink

Did you ever think that I just don't have the money? Haven't you got it yet. I did go to Alaska before it was a state in the US. Does that count? It was in the USAF. You have no idea how much I would love to travel to India, England, Germany, Australia, and some of the other Euroean nations. Would you like to give me the money to go there? I didn't think so. My question now, is why don't all of you who think I am bananas think through your responses through more carefully after you have read my posts. I am grateful for anyone who brings up a seemingly glaring error, after all, I am not perfect, no one is. All anyone can do is their best. I didn't have a lot of money in my working days, certainly not enough to travel to other countries, and now that I am retired, I certainly don't have the money. Would any of you like to give me the money? But the truth is, I don't want anyone else's money. Thanks but no thanks.

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Again, I absolutely don't think I am anything special for any reason whatsoever

Well, it looks to me that you do feel very special because you claim to have psychic precognitive skills, being able to read the energy in a room, a person, a personal object, etc.

To me (being just an ordinary basic human) this is incredibly special… so why do say: “I absolutely don't think I am anything special for any reason whatsoever” I’m confused. But not half as confused as you my friend. Still, you have fun Siva ol chap Wink

So sad that you have no clue as to how many people in the everyday world are psychic. This is why I don't think I am anything special. Yes, I do have those abilities, just as many of my friends have them. So, why should I say I, or my friends, are anything special? Some of the people who live in my retirement community are psychic, some of them know it and accept it, some of them know it but don't want to talk about it, some of them know it but don't want to see what they see, and some are grateful to finally have someone to talk to about their abilities. So, in reality, I am not confused. If you are confused, it is because you don't have enough information on how prevalent psychic abilities are becoming. And, I am not talking about the psychics who have their own TV shows, who have their own Hotlines, etc. I am talkng about common, everyday people who go to work, come home, take their kids to school, join the PTA, live a regular life. Yet, they are psychics. Perhaps you are confused because you don't exhibit (notice I used the word "exhibit" and not the word "have") any psychic abilities - or do you?

Oh yeah & say hello to the crab people for me. Feckin crab people I ask ya geese. Nice one Laughing Laughing



The crab people are great people, Dejarma. They really are. Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are crab people on other planets who have developed great mental skills and knowledge? Why do they seem to be so different from what we have seen as crabs on our own world? Why the disparity in beliefs? Have you ever heard of the 100th monkey syndrome.? if the 100th monkey does something new, the other monkeys will follow. So, if the 100th crab on another planet learns some new skill, won't the other crabs follow him. And this situation can continue for millions of years. Remember, humanity did not spring up overnight. We went through the same growth pattern, unless we absolutely believe we have had alien interference in our gene pool. History says that a man called Thoth showed up in Egypt and taought them all they knew about language, building the pyramides, etc. Where did he come from? Was he from outer space as well? How many different links in the evolutionary change did it take to come up with modern man? you've got to open up your mind to possibilities or you will never grow in knowledge. I thought most of the people who write in these posts were really interested in sharing and learning, but maybe they are mostly just scientific sceptics, and nay sayers. Well, open up, and you might find something new. I am willing to go along with what changes happen in my life, and my life is quite full now and very enjoyable, even with the abductions.

As to why I don't know all the reasons why I am being abducted. I don't always get a full picture of my abductions, usually only a small part of it to know who they are, but not always much more. I do have some thoughts as to why they do some of these surgeries, but I am not sure, and I don't like to give out too much information about very private health matters. So, unless I truly know for sure, I don't like to speculate. Sometimes I get what I call real memories, as well as planted/cover memories to work through. But, then some of the memories border on being crystal clear and therefore I don't have to go through them and decypher the memories. But, I never get a clear knowledge of why they are taking me. You surely have read about other abductees who have had cover memories that just don't make sense. Well, after a while you learn to look at and study the cover memories and see what really happened. But, you don't always get why they take you. Like I said, I can't give them sperm because of my accident and their back surgery on me as I am infertile (completely infertile) so that leaves that out unless you would say that they use the DNA of my body in some sort of scientific way to produce hybrid off-springs. If I were to make a stab at truly knowing why they would take me, I woldn't know if I was right. I have had friends who have given me ideas about why I am being taken, but I don't know. Unless I have a definite answer, I am not sure I would even really try to know why. There are enough things to deal with on a daily basis without adding that load.

I know my posts on this website may cause a lot of derision, charges of craziness, confusion, etc., but I really don't care. I am only sharing what I know by personal experience. If it makes you think, good. If what I post resembles something you have had happened, that's great, you can PM me and we can communicate. If you think I am just another fruit cake, well that is okay as well. I have lived too long with all these abductions, visitations, astral travels, etc. to be bothered by what other people think. Yeah, you might get under my skin on occasion, but so what. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction. Keep up the dialogue no matter what side of my posts you are on. Oh, by the way, read some other posts from other people who have gone through similar situations and realize that I am not the only one who experiences the events. Peace
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
dejarma wrote:
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Dejarma. I haven't got a clue as to why me. No way do I know why. .


You are close to them on a regular basis so you say. You travel to other planets with them & experienced alien cultures & yet, after all this time you’ve no idea why Rolling Eyes Are you not curious “why”? Have you ever asked them “why”? Are you bothered “why”? I sure as hell would be!
Strange how life works isn’t it: in your fantasies you’ve done all these amazing unbelievable things & yet in the real world you’ve not, at the age of 65 even set foot outside your own country yet Wink

I think the correct way is to say that they come close to me on a fairly regular basis. I don't always get to travel to another planet every time they get me. Most of the times they just take me and do what they want with me and leave me with sometimes clear memories, sometimes cover memories, and sometimes just an enigma. You are truly correct in that I would like to know why, but I can only go on suppositions I may have or more accurately suppositions that my friends have as to why I am being abducted. It could be the psychic abilities, it could be that I am sterile from their surgeries and the major back accident I had, it could also be that my body wasn't in the best condition most of my life, and now you could add on to whatever you might think it was. It all boils down to this: I don't know why and neither does anyone else. When I visit other planets either astrally or in the lucky instance of a space ship flight, I seem to be too interested in what I am seeing and the question "why" they're taking me doesn't seem to enter into the picture during the abductions. Go figure.

Again, even though I thought I answered this post a few minutes ago and submited it, I will answer why I haven't traveled outside my own country yet. Money, my friend, money. I had very little to spare in my working days and I have even less to spend now that I am retired.

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Again, I absolutely don't think I am anything special for any reason whatsoever

Well, it looks to me that you do feel very special because you claim to have psychic precognitive skills, being able to read the energy in a room, a person, a personal object, etc.

To me (being just an ordinary basic human) this is incredibly special… so why do say: “I absolutely don't think I am anything special for any reason whatsoever” I’m confused. But not half as confused as you my friend. Still, you have fun Siva ol chap Wink

Again, I know too many friends who are psychic and they know other people who are psychic. I haven't shared with anyone yet, the other things that my friends and I are able to do. It is sometimes to freaky. There is a modern upswing in the number of people with psychic abilities, and their abilities are increasing. This is not for ego's sake, just a statement of fact. You have enough of what I do psychically, as well as all of my friends do, and some of my less close friends do sometimes less. But, I am finding the number of people growing leaps and bounds during the last few years. So, no, I am not anything special, but maybe the aliens think what I do is special enough to make them want to know how I do these things. That is what a very talented and advanced spiritual friend of mine said to me. She could be right, but, then I don't really know. And, some of my other friends are able to do some of these things as well, and of course, they are being abducted as well. You make a choice, I don't need to.

Oh yeah & say hello to the crab people for me. Feckin crab people I ask ya geese. Nice one Laughing Laughing


How sad, whoever wrote this last quote. How do you think the evolution in mankind happened? It didn't happen overnight. It took millions of years, at least as scientists think, for the primitive ape to become the modern man. Why can' the "lowly crab" go through the same evolution. And even better yet, on another planet. You had to be there to see these guys. They are a great, peace loving people who believe that all life is sacred, even though who wish to not give them credence for their knowledge and their life. Everything is sacred. A good idea, huh? Why do humans think they are so durned special that nothing else in the Universe can come up to them? The truth is, in many ways, we are still in the dark age of industrialization when compared to the aliens who come to us in their interdimensional ships. Get real, humans, open up your eyes. I would almost like for everyone to get a real gimpse of a UFO in the skies, perhaps be taken for a ride in one of them and see the aliens in them (actually there is no such thing as an alien, they are only beings e haven't seen before on this planet.) but I have had some very serious situations where I was petrified of some of the aliens. So, I wouldn't wish harm on anyone by wishing that experience on them. Do you think all of this came easy to me. It blew me out of the saddle for quite a while until I just gave in and said, "Oh, what the heck. It is happening to me and I can't stop it, so I might as well make the best of all of this as I can." That is when I stopped living in panic and started living to find what was going on and find as much information as I could.

I would hope that readers of my posts and other peoples' posts would give more time to read the posts thoroughly and not just jot off a reply.

Peace to all who use this website. I hope you find your answers, and I wish you luck in finding your answers with less problems than I have had. Siva
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I could quite easily come in here under a different user name & say the things you’ve said! It’s easy, anyone can do it! So in effect what you say means nothing to me unless you have some kind of proof! Has it ever occurred to you to secretly/ covertly sneak something into your pocket? You know, like a hair/ a piece of something/ a small insignificant item… anything at all that could back up your claims! I’m sure you’ll say “I don’t care if people believe me or not”… so what’s the point of taking the time to spew all this stuff in our faces, eh? I’ll tell you something, & I mean this seriously:

If these incredible world shattering events were really happening to me there would be no way I’d be telling everyone about it, like you are, for many reasons! One of the main reasons would be because I feel I’m street wise if you like & intelligent enough to understand the way people would perceive such unbelievable claims, without offering the slightest bit of proof what so ever! I’m sick to death with hearing crap like this!!! It bores me to tears. Heard claims like this a thousand times before zzzzzzzzzzzz!!
IMO you’re just a sad bewildered individual that needs this fantasy to keep you going because in the real world you can’t cope!! Hey, some people use drugs & alcohol to find peace & in many cases it effects others (friends & family etc) what you are doing is a milder, harmless form of this (your way of coping) but you’re still in effect making others suffer by vomiting this garbage over everyone my friend!
Siva, I'm sure you're a nice person & i hope you’ll see the light one day? Or maybe you'll prove it... either way would be great. Good luck…
 
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dejarma wrote:
I could quite easily come in here under a different user name & say the things you’ve said! It’s easy, anyone can do it! So in effect what you say means nothing to me unless you have some kind of proof! Has it ever occurred to you to secretly/ covertly sneak something into your pocket? You know, like a hair/ a piece of something/ a small insignificant item… anything at all that could back up your claims! I’m sure you’ll say “I don’t care if people believe me or not”… so what’s the point of taking the time to spew all this stuff in our faces, eh? I’ll tell you something, & I mean this seriously:

***Dejarma, I could also say to you, why do you even answer my postings? Apparently there is something in you that would like to see proof. But would that "prove" anything to you. No matter how much proof a person may have, if you have no place in your mind for any of this, then it won't make a difference to you as to what proof I have. And please read this as I mean it seriously.***

If these incredible world shattering events were really happening to me there would be no way I’d be telling everyone about it, like you are, for many reasons!

***I think you have a different idea about this site. Notice that there are not millions who read what I have written, but maybe thousands. So, it is not to a general public. And I believe if it was world shattering events happening to you, I really believe you would do whatever it takes to get the news out. No matter who you are, whether a respected scientists, a brain surgeon or even the President of the US, you would try to get this information out. Do you really think that many people would give a damn about what I am writing about if I were to have an interview with the press. If I want this information out I would write a book and have beacoup proof. But, would the population at large believe it? Most likely no. They would probbly pooh pooh it and throw nothing but biting and snarling scepticism my way. But my question to yous, is this website the same? And the next question I have, is why in the world are you even on this web site? And I am serious about that question. Are you here to tear down what people share? What is your reaslon for being here?***

One of the main reasons would be because I feel I’m street wise if you like & intelligent enough to understand the way people would perceive such unbelievable claims, without offering the slightest bit of proof what so ever!

***Why is this thought imortant to you? I will furnish what I have with your help of how to post it.***

I’m sick to death with hearing crap like this!!! It bores me to tears. Heard claims like this a thousand times before zzzzzzzzzzzz!!

***Where is your intuition? Are you using it in reading my postings? I use it when I hear other stories of possible abductions. Some I know are real as I do indeed read peoples' energy, etc. etc.***

IMO you’re just a sad bewildered individual that needs this fantasy to keep you going because in the real world you can’t cope!! Hey, some people use drugs & alcohol to find peace & in many cases it effects others (friends & family etc) what you are doing is a milder, harmless form of this (your way of coping) but you’re still in effect making others suffer by vomiting this garbage over everyone my friend!

***Dejarma, what a strange and peculiar way you have of putting down what you don't understand. I am offended somewhat by your language. If you don't want to read my posts, don't. But, don't feel you are the harbinger of the only truth out there. I don't think you have any idea at all of what I have gone through in 'the real world". I have survived more **it from people than you could ever imagine, and I not only survived but I overcame. So don't even go there. Every body who knows me considers me to be highly intelligent, articulate, strong, and a peaceful person. However, they don't take my peaceful demeanor to think that I am weak and a pushover. If they do, they soon find out they are wrong. Yet you debase me by saying these things in your posting? Does this do you any good? Does it seve any purpose to bolster your ego when you say that I am a sad bewildered ndividual who needs this fantasy to keep me going because in the real wold I can't cope. What a crock. I really have to ask, what kind of person are you? I am not holding your feet to the fire to read any single thing I have written. If you don't like what I have written, for God's sake, don't read anymore. Your approach is somewhat kin to the Inquisition and the burning not only of "unwanted books" but burning the people who did not agree with their way of thinking! This is exactly your outlook on what I have written. Fortunately, you are not an inquisitor from the Inquisition and therefore I am safe from you and won't be burned at the stake because of what I write. ***

Siva, I'm sure you're a nice person & i hope you’ll see the light one day? Or maybe you'll prove it... either way would be great. Good luck…


***Dejarma, you have no idea how nice a person I really am. Also, you have no idea of how much I see of "the light" even now. I only hope there is truth in the last bit of the above blurb. I don't really need luck, Dejarma. I can only do what I can wih what income I have, and that is okay with me. But I really would appreciate your being more in touch with your inner feelings, because as you have expressed yourself in this reply, well, wow. I really wonder where you are coming from? I hope you know? And I hope you will do some inner work and find out. (Notice I never said a disparaging word, I didn't call you a confused and bewildered perslon who is unable to deal with the real world. I have simply asked you where you are coming from. That is a whole world of difference. I hope you learn the difference sometime as it will make your life much more enjoyable and easier to be around people and not offend them with your phrasings and literary tone in your replies.)

I feel sad that you felt this about what I have written. I do cope very well with life. I sing in the Unity Church choir, I sing in a Threshold Choir which sings for hospice patients and for those who are ready to transition from this Earth, and I also worked in the AIDS crisis in San Francisco when I live there. I am starting a male spiritual singing group. I have made over 190 quilts (yeah, that's right more than 190) since 1993. I gave most of them away to people who were more needy for a quilt than I was, giving 21 quilts alone to one charity organization one year. They were twin size quilts and full size quilts. I paid for all the fabrics for those quilts. and gave my time freely. Did I expect any thanks for any of this, no. I did it because I felt in my heart that I wanted to do it. And I still make quilts and give them away. Out of those 190 quilts - or more) I sold only about 10 of them, but I don't like the commercial aspect of selling quilts, even though Ihave had many people ask if I would sell them one. I don't often do it. I have been either a manager, supervisor, or assistant manager in most of my jobs during my working days, and I was well liked and respected. I am also well liked and respected where I live and have a good life. How can you even begin to use the words you used to describe me as I am almost a total strange to you. Where do you get of with that language?

Do you think I wanted all these abductions, scars, operations, anetenna insertions to happen to me? Get real, Dejarma. I only posted on this website so that I might help others. That is the main reason, and the other reason being to see what others had to say about their experience. Be careful in your postings when you use disparaging words on the postings. Does it do you any good use perjorative terms in your replies? I doubt it, other than it gives you a chance to vent some anger. In any case, it is not appreciated, believe me. So how about a different attitude, okay? Saying that you hope I will see the light is a strange statement. I see the light all the time, and I mean "that light", and yet you don't believe in any of "that light" stuff! What light is it that you want me to see? Yours? Somene elses? The only light I want to see if the light of truth.

If you will tell me how to get photos onto this system, I will take some photos as best I can with the camera I have and I will show you the scars I have had from these abductions. I have some a friend of mine took 4 or 5 years ago, but he didn't do a good job. I will see what I can do to make those work for proof. Also, I will try to put a copy of an expert's review of some of the pictures I had taken and what the scars were and the areas of radiation burns on my back which were noticeable on the pictures he worked on that I endured aboard their ships. I only wish I had the pictures he had used as he hadoverdrawn them with markings to show me where the points of his review were, but I don't. (Yeah, I know, that no good pictures thing. That is a bummer for me as ell.) I was leaving a job at that time to move to another city and I was cleaning off my computer any personal items. I had worked at the job for 5 years before leaving. So, If you will tell me how to add the photos onto this system I will put some on that I already have and some new ones if they are usable. I will have them on this websie and this forum as soon as possible, as well as the document with the expert's opinions and reviews. I will also add the experts opinion and descri;ption of what he saw in my body.

But when I do, will you then say the pictures are fake, or doesn't really show anything? Where will your doubt ends, and what constitutes the proof you can accept. With a professional camera (or a more decent one) and the right kind of lighting, the scars, the antennae would be more discernble on the pictures. But I will go with what I have for now. So tell me how, and I will do it.

Also, since you haven't been abducted, you have no clue as to what it is like. When you are abducted, they have control over your mind and body with their mind so you don't remember what to do, but in the years I have been abducted, I have learned to have better memories. I have wanted do grab anything myself, to do just what you think is such an easy job. Dejarma, being on their ship isn't like going to a friend's house and picking hair out of their brushes in a bathroom, or picking up a piece of paper and taking it with you. You are "literally" not yourself or in any kind of control in the sense that you lose any plan you have of getting bits and pieces of their instruments, clothe, etc. An abdsuctee normally has no memory of the abductions at all, but they may have the scars, triangular needle marks found in the morning that burn, bruises, etc., etc. None of this makes sense to you, Dejarma, as you probably haven't been abducted and don't have that personal experience. And if you did have an abduction and did remember some of it, that abducion and the feelings it will engender in your mind and body, will change your life forever. Nothing is ever the same again. Your whole world paradym will completely change forever. Could not having any sense of being abducted be the reason why you come across the way you do? You must be interested somehow or you wouldn't send time posting relies to my posts. I can fully understand and I can't blame you as you simply have not, at least to your recollection, been abducted, so you are totally ignorant of what has happened. But a little less of the degrading statements and insults. please.

In the end, you may be right, Dejarma. This may not be place to share any of the experiences I have had, and I will have to think seriously if I should stop posting anything on this web site. However, I will do what I can to get some other pictures taken as fast as I can and look at the Kodak disc I have with the pictures of my scars. So, hang in there, Dejarma. Who knows, maybe then you might just begin to believe what I have said. And, then again, maybe nothing will be proof enough for you. I know that proof is wonderful, when you can get it, but it is the most difficult thing to do when you are under their telepathic mind control. The best way for you to have a slight understanding of this is to look at how the dolphins send radio beeps and blips, as well as a wave of energy to knock out their food in the ocearn or to fight sharks or other predators. Their sonar signals make mush out of the minds of sharks, etc. You know, Dejarma, dolphins aren't like us humans, they have a faculty we don't have. So, if dolphins have those abilities, why can't people accept the fact that the aliens may have a similar type of mind control but much more stronger and more powerful in its rang of mind contrl? That is worth thinking about, Dejarma. There are far more things in heaven an on earth than are dreamed of. (A paraphrasing from a speech in Hamlet).

In all things, peace to you, Dejarma and all others who have read my postings. For those who really want to commuicate with me because they have been abducted will find a good listener and be a member of the abductee family, do a PM to me.

Siva
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
dejarma wrote:
I could quite easily come in here under a different user name & say the things you’ve said! It’s easy, anyone can do it! So in effect what you say means nothing to me unless you have some kind of proof! Has it ever occurred to you to secretly/ covertly sneak something into your pocket? You know, like a hair/ a piece of something/ a small insignificant item… anything at all that could back up your claims! I’m sure you’ll say “I don’t care if people believe me or not”… so what’s the point of taking the time to spew all this stuff in our faces, eh? I’ll tell you something, & I mean this seriously:

***Dejarma, I could also say to you, why do you even answer my postings? Apparently there is something in you that would like to see proof. But would that "prove" anything to you. No matter how much proof a person may have, if you have no place in your mind for any of this, then it won't make a difference to you as to what proof I have. And please read this as I mean it seriously.***

If these incredible world shattering events were really happening to me there would be no way I’d be telling everyone about it, like you are, for many reasons!

***I think you have a different idea about this site. Notice that there are not millions who read what I have written, but maybe thousands. So, it is not to a general public. And I believe if it was world shattering events happening to you, I really believe you would do whatever it takes to get the news out. No matter who you are, whether a respected scientists, a brain surgeon or even the President of the US, you would try to get this information out. Do you really think that many people would give a damn about what I am writing about if I were to have an interview with the press. If I want this information out I would write a book and have beacoup proof. But, would the population at large believe it? Most likely no. They would probbly pooh pooh it and throw nothing but biting and snarling scepticism my way. But my question to yous, is this website the same? And the next question I have, is why in the world are you even on this web site? And I am serious about that question. Are you here to tear down what people share? What is your reaslon for being here?***

One of the main reasons would be because I feel I’m street wise if you like & intelligent enough to understand the way people would perceive such unbelievable claims, without offering the slightest bit of proof what so ever!

***Why is this thought imortant to you? I will furnish what I have with your help of how to post it.***

I’m sick to death with hearing crap like this!!! It bores me to tears. Heard claims like this a thousand times before zzzzzzzzzzzz!!

***Where is your intuition? Are you using it in reading my postings? I use it when I hear other stories of possible abductions. Some I know are real as I do indeed read peoples' energy, etc. etc.***

IMO you’re just a sad bewildered individual that needs this fantasy to keep you going because in the real world you can’t cope!! Hey, some people use drugs & alcohol to find peace & in many cases it effects others (friends & family etc) what you are doing is a milder, harmless form of this (your way of coping) but you’re still in effect making others suffer by vomiting this garbage over everyone my friend!

***Dejarma, what a strange and peculiar way you have of putting down what you don't understand. I am offended somewhat by your language. If you don't want to read my posts, don't. But, don't feel you are the harbinger of the only truth out there. I don't think you have any idea at all of what I have gone through in 'the real world". I have survived more **it from people than you could ever imagine, and I not only survived but I overcame. So don't even go there. Every body who knows me considers me to be highly intelligent, articulate, strong, and a peaceful person. However, they don't take my peaceful demeanor to think that I am weak and a pushover. If they do, they soon find out they are wrong. Yet you debase me by saying these things in your posting? Does this do you any good? Does it seve any purpose to bolster your ego when you say that I am a sad bewildered ndividual who needs this fantasy to keep me going because in the real wold I can't cope. What a crock. I really have to ask, what kind of person are you? I am not holding your feet to the fire to read any single thing I have written. If you don't like what I have written, for God's sake, don't read anymore. Your approach is somewhat kin to the Inquisition and the burning not only of "unwanted books" but burning the people who did not agree with their way of thinking! This is exactly your outlook on what I have written. Fortunately, you are not an inquisitor from the Inquisition and therefore I am safe from you and won't be burned at the stake because of what I write. ***

Siva, I'm sure you're a nice person & i hope you’ll see the light one day? Or maybe you'll prove it... either way would be great. Good luck…


***Dejarma, you have no idea how nice a person I really am. Also, you have no idea of how much I see of "the light" even now. I only hope there is truth in the last bit of the above blurb. I don't really need luck, Dejarma. I can only do what I can wih what income I have, and that is okay with me. But I really would appreciate your being more in touch with your inner feelings, because as you have expressed yourself in this reply, well, wow. I really wonder where you are coming from? I hope you know? And I hope you will do some inner work and find out. (Notice I never said a disparaging word, I didn't call you a confused and bewildered perslon who is unable to deal with the real world. I have simply asked you where you are coming from. That is a whole world of difference. I hope you learn the difference sometime as it will make your life much more enjoyable and easier to be around people and not offend them with your phrasings and literary tone in your replies.)

I feel sad that you felt this about what I have written. I do cope very well with life. I sing in the Unity Church choir, I sing in a Threshold Choir which sings for hospice patients and for those who are ready to transition from this Earth, and I also worked in the AIDS crisis in San Francisco when I live there. I am starting a male spiritual singing group. I have made over 190 quilts (yeah, that's right more than 190) since 1993. I gave most of them away to people who were more needy for a quilt than I was, giving 21 quilts alone to one charity organization one year. They were twin size quilts and full size quilts. I paid for all the fabrics for those quilts. and gave my time freely. Did I expect any thanks for any of this, no. I did it because I felt in my heart that I wanted to do it. And I still make quilts and give them away. Out of those 190 quilts - or more) I sold only about 10 of them, but I don't like the commercial aspect of selling quilts, even though Ihave had many people ask if I would sell them one. I don't often do it. I have been either a manager, supervisor, or assistant manager in most of my jobs during my working days, and I was well liked and respected. I am also well liked and respected where I live and have a good life. How can you even begin to use the words you used to describe me as I am almost a total strange to you. Where do you get of with that language?

Do you think I wanted all these abductions, scars, operations, anetenna insertions to happen to me? Get real, Dejarma. I only posted on this website so that I might help others. That is the main reason, and the other reason being to see what others had to say about their experience. Be careful in your postings when you use disparaging words on the postings. Does it do you any good use perjorative terms in your replies? I doubt it, other than it gives you a chance to vent some anger. In any case, it is not appreciated, believe me. So how about a different attitude, okay? Saying that you hope I will see the light is a strange statement. I see the light all the time, and I mean "that light", and yet you don't believe in any of "that light" stuff! What light is it that you want me to see? Yours? Somene elses? The only light I want to see if the light of truth.

If you will tell me how to get photos onto this system, I will take some photos as best I can with the camera I have and I will show you the scars I have had from these abductions. I have some a friend of mine took 4 or 5 years ago, but he didn't do a good job. I will see what I can do to make those work for proof. Also, I will try to put a copy of an expert's review of some of the pictures I had taken and what the scars were and the areas of radiation burns on my back which were noticeable on the pictures he worked on that I endured aboard their ships. I only wish I had the pictures he had used as he hadoverdrawn them with markings to show me where the points of his review were, but I don't. (Yeah, I know, that no good pictures thing. That is a bummer for me as ell.) I was leaving a job at that time to move to another city and I was cleaning off my computer any personal items. I had worked at the job for 5 years before leaving. So, If you will tell me how to add the photos onto this system I will put some on that I already have and some new ones if they are usable. I will have them on this websie and this forum as soon as possible, as well as the document with the expert's opinions and reviews. I will also add the experts opinion and descri;ption of what he saw in my body.

But when I do, will you then say the pictures are fake, or doesn't really show anything? Where will your doubt ends, and what constitutes the proof you can accept. With a professional camera (or a more decent one) and the right kind of lighting, the scars, the antennae would be more discernble on the pictures. But I will go with what I have for now. So tell me how, and I will do it.

Also, since you haven't been abducted, you have no clue as to what it is like. When you are abducted, they have control over your mind and body with their mind so you don't remember what to do, but in the years I have been abducted, I have learned to have better memories. I have wanted do grab anything myself, to do just what you think is such an easy job. Dejarma, being on their ship isn't like going to a friend's house and picking hair out of their brushes in a bathroom, or picking up a piece of paper and taking it with you. You are "literally" not yourself or in any kind of control in the sense that you lose any plan you have of getting bits and pieces of their instruments, clothe, etc. An abdsuctee normally has no memory of the abductions at all, but they may have the scars, triangular needle marks found in the morning that burn, bruises, etc., etc. None of this makes sense to you, Dejarma, as you probably haven't been abducted and don't have that personal experience. And if you did have an abduction and did remember some of it, that abducion and the feelings it will engender in your mind and body, will change your life forever. Nothing is ever the same again. Your whole world paradym will completely change forever. Could not having any sense of being abducted be the reason why you come across the way you do? You must be interested somehow or you wouldn't send time posting relies to my posts. I can fully understand and I can't blame you as you simply have not, at least to your recollection, been abducted, so you are totally ignorant of what has happened. But a little less of the degrading statements and insults. please.

In the end, you may be right, Dejarma. This may not be place to share any of the experiences I have had, and I will have to think seriously if I should stop posting anything on this web site. However, I will do what I can to get some other pictures taken as fast as I can and look at the Kodak disc I have with the pictures of my scars. So, hang in there, Dejarma. Who knows, maybe then you might just begin to believe what I have said. And, then again, maybe nothing will be proof enough for you. I know that proof is wonderful, when you can get it, but it is the most difficult thing to do when you are under their telepathic mind control. The best way for you to have a slight understanding of this is to look at how the dolphins send radio beeps and blips, as well as a wave of energy to knock out their food in the ocearn or to fight sharks or other predators. Their sonar signals make mush out of the minds of sharks, etc. You know, Dejarma, dolphins aren't like us humans, they have a faculty we don't have. So, if dolphins have those abilities, why can't people accept the fact that the aliens may have a similar type of mind control but much more stronger and more powerful in its rang of mind contrl? That is worth thinking about, Dejarma. There are far more things in heaven an on earth than are dreamed of. (A paraphrasing from a speech in Hamlet).

In all things, peace to you, Dejarma and all others who have read my postings. For those who really want to commuicate with me because they have been abducted will find a good listener and be a member of the abductee family, do a PM to me.

Siva
 
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Was thinking it could be a sleep apnea device that someone has to have during the daytime too.  

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Pheh, I don´t mind one bit that dejarma knows that aliens can do whatever they please in whatever form or world they live in.

His questioning your side of this whole matter as do I, I might accept the fact that it´s possible that you have been abducted but the rest is plain garbage and you know it aswell as I do.
 

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Hey Siva what kind of propulsion systems do these crafts use, and have you ever seen any "rocks" on board.  
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all of our genetic traits are traits handed down from something else, other evolutionary paths. humans are a sum, or compilation of different evolutionary paths thrown into a mess, if you will, we are all muts, consisting of genetic traits from stardust.  
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SIVA,
thankyou for your posts!

i always appreciate whatever anyone wishes to share..
i KNOW it's hard for those who have NEVER experienced this stuff, to understand, and how difficult it is for those who experience it to understand as well.

your story sound fantastic, because it is SO amazing, it is beyond belief, and comprehension.

beyond belief DOES NOT mean unbelievable!

as afr as bringing back "something", next to impossible..

like what?
an LED watch?

a swiss pocket knife?

bling bling?

alien underwear?

well, i MAY not be able to completely understand what you have experienced, but you have tried to bring back what you could, in memories, half clouded in the way only encounter experiencers can.

i cannot surmise their reasons either..
good luck..
and BE CAREFUL from now on of anyone who asks "IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SPECIAL"..
this ploy is used by trained debunkers, paid sceptics in the field to disuade talkers..

it is a common ploy, and you answered it right, but still almost fell into the ploy..

those of us who may or may not have had the SAME experiences, KNOW it is NOT we who are "special", but then, we aren't sure what it is we know..
the experience is special..
be careful who you share with..
 
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Siva wrote:
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I didn't believe in UFOs when I was a little kid or even up to when I was 42, but that changed when I began having all these experiences


Strange though it might seem but Siva also wrote this:
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Why was I abducted in my childhood? I have never been able to find anything that made any logical sense




hey evutch, how's ya doing ol chap? the above is job done IMO... dont let this small anomaly make you think twice about this cap's claims Rolling Eyes you decide for yourself Wink

have fun.

Dej...
 
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true, BUT if my memory is correct, haven't you seen "things" Dej?

and i KNOW that seeing isn't necessary believing..

so..
hey, SURE there is an unknown..
and yep, anyone who claims special knowlege, or answeres 'givin them", is sure to raise my brow,,
BUT, so are the debunkers..
heving seen what i've seen, all i know, which isn't much, is there IS something out there..
AND where i live, i have had the privelige of hearing things off the cuff, "unofficially", that REALLY make me wonder..
so, IF they are afraid to tell us, the ONLY way we have of knowing, is from first hand experiencers..
and we have to listen carefully..
as these are disjointed witnesses..
to others, some things ring true, some maybe, some who the heck knows what?

but if i remember right, you've had first hand, or second hand experience too.

no, we don't have proof..
and no, i don't think, any tyhink they are special..
as long as they aren't asking us to put on NIKES for the mother ship, there's NO harm done..

i know there is the recall factor, AND the "belief" problems..

not ours, but the relators, they sometimes think they know what it's all about, and need to SAVE us..
well....
but, everyone to their own..

and besides, KNOWING how much fun and ease John has had getting 'official" documented PROOF, we all know where that goes..
we've been down that road..

formations of glowing fowl, venus, or the moon..
flares..
i mean, really..

so, just be glad you neither work for the official guys, or have a witness for a roomie..
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Yes dejarma has seen things as do I but I don´t go telling a 100000000000000 words story to make my point and still contradicting myself like siva has.

Those quotes dejarma put are 2 of them, then sure it sounds amazing but would you believe in anything I wrote without saying that it´s fake?
I can come up with infinitive stories about ufos,gods,satan,ghosts and what not and make people believe in it.

There is no way an alien would take a human and show him the universe as they see it just because they feel like it.
If they did then why are we afraid and what not from aliens?
 

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
evutch wrote:
BUT if my memory is correct, haven't you seen "things" Dej?



You & many others seem to misinterpret my stance on this subject ……not that anyone really gives a sh*t what I think of course. Sometimes even I don’t give a sh*t what I think Laughing
My own personal reasons for questioning claims is to dismiss the mentally insane/ fantasy freaks & out & out liars. I question the individual claims (of which some are quite ludicrous with many anomalies imo & need questioning) NOT the alien/UFO phenomenon in general!
Yeah you’re right, I did see something very strange, unexplainable & quite unbelievable to be honest! Therefore I find it a little annoying when accused of being a debunker; because in all honesty I’m not!

I quote me for those interested Wink :
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It was a large cigar shaped object in 1966 witnessed by my self, my younger brother (squonk), my parents & many other adults. It was reported to be over London. We see it 15 miles away in Romford.
To us it was about the size of a small cigar (funny enough) held at arms length from what I can remember. This was a clear June July evening at around 6pm. It was a Sunday.
I specificately remember (confirmed by my parents as well) that on the Monday it was on the front page of the daily mirror & mentioned on the kids show blue peter among other things. Both reports said:

If you’ve seen a UFO over London it was an out of control weather balloon! Or words to that effect…. A few things I know for a fact:

I’ve no idea what it was then/ I’ve still no idea what it was today & I‘ll probably never really know what it was unfortunately

Now at the age of 49 I’ve no idea about weather balloon sizes/ shapes/ tech etc, let alone when I was eight, so how the hell can I say it definitely was not a weather balloon!?
Therefore I’ve settled my soul by accepting the explanation because to be honest; after all these yrs I’m now so bored feckin sick (& find it soul destroying) constantly pontificating over it in my mind
Mad


Anyways, Just trying in my own way to get some answers but so far IMHO nothing has emerged to change my “sceptical” stance on this subject, YET Wink (hope springs eternal) Oh well there ya go Rolling Eyes

Peace.

Dej…
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
i would just like to ask siva if he could use paragraphs, i get halfway through one of your posts and my eyes start going bosseyed , i cant comment on what you have said as i cant finnish reading them without a migraine coming on Shocked Shocked Shocked  
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