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sungkathak
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: High oil price (5) (7/29/08) |
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High oil price (5) (7/29/0
In Oil (4) I talked about Iran intended to turn the oil trading from dollar into euro in December 2006. Did Iran deliberately do that? Read the following information:
468. Follow up to #467, #461 and #462 (2/20/07)
On 1/15 and 1/20, I wrote #461 and #462, alleged that US had set up a Euro trap for Iran: If the December plot started, Euro would collapse due to the collapse of WANTA fund and the shortage of oil supply to the Europe. Iran not only would be bombed, but also suffered a huge loss in finance. On 2/1, an article proved the correctness of my analysis.
Re: "The War on Iran
Thursday, 01 February 2007
By Stephen Gowans
In Paulson’s view, Iran is still a major player globally, and needs to suffer the same pariah treatment. (New York Times, September 17, 2006) In October, US Treasury Department officials banned US banks from facilitating transactions involving Iran’s state-owned Bank Saderat. In January, the ban was widened to include another Iranian bank, Bank Sepah.
When Iran sells oil to a customer in Germany, the German customer asks a European bank to deposit US dollars into an Iranian bank account. The European bank then arranges for the transfer of US dollars from a US bank to an Iranian bank account in Europe. Paulson’s ban prohibits US banks from transferring funds if Bank Saderat and Bank Sepah are involved. (New York Times, October 16, 2006) With oil sales denominated in US dollars, the aim is to impede Iran’s ability to sell oil. The way around the US manoeuvre is to sell oil in Euros, something Iran has already begun to do. (New York Times, January 10, 2007)
This would seem to be a simple enough way of beating the US at its own game. It also raises questions about the prudence of compelling Iran to switch to Euros, since a change to Euros, if adopted by a number of oil-exporting countries, would push down the value of the US greenback. US investment banker John Hermann, a comptroller of currency in the Carter administration, wonders whether the US is shooting itself in the foot. (New York Times, October 16, 2006)
http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/261/52/
In October, US blocked the financial transaction between US banks and major Iran bank which forced Iran to turn on to Euro instead of Dollar in oil trading. Two months later, if the December plot succeeded, Iran would suffer a big loss in finance. The US investment banker John Hermann wonders whether the US is shooting itself in the foot then. He wouldn't have that puzzle if he reads my messages."
It's no others but US himself who forced Iran to turn on Euro. In December 2006 they set up a Euro trap. But the plot went soured. Since the process is irreversible, and the Feds is unwilling to raise the interest, to save the dollar, they have to push up the oil price. We the people have to eat the bad fruit planted by the Feds.
Someone or a group inside the government created a situation to make war on Iran. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: 6. Media's mind control (oil price 6) (8/12/08) |
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6. Media's mind control (oil price 6) (8/12/0
You may have noticed that all the information I referred to were from internet. The only mainstream newspaper in my area is San Jose Mercury. There is none news about Iran turns onto Euro and Japanese yen instead of dollar in oil trading, let alone the news that US treasury department banned the transactions between US banks and Iran's. There is no news about the Iranian Oil Bourse which was inaugurated on February 17, 2008 in a video conference ceremony from Tehran. The Iran oil trading transactions are made in Iranian rial and other major currencies since. This news is very important since it is a big turning point in US policy. Many big events were caused by this inauguration of Iranian Oil Bourse. I'll talk about it later.
The news which filled in tv screen and newspaper page are: Iran's speed boat charg at US vessel; Iran had missile test; Iranian training militias in Iraq; Iran rejects nuclear proposal; Nuclear program could result in more sanctions...... Iran is tarnished as a terrorist.
The similar tactic was seen before Iraq war when Saddam Hussain was described as a major threat to US. The false flag for Iraq is WMD; for Iran is its nuclear program. The real reason are the same: Both Iraq and Iran abandoned US dollars as currency in oil trading.
Saddam turned on to Euro in oil trading in 2000. In the end of that year, Bush got the seat of US president in a controversial election. When Clinton left the White House, he also left with a historical surplus in budget. There was no reason Demo would lose the 2000 president election. But what inside group needed was a war. In negotiation behind the curtain, Bush won the deal. He sold his soul to a devil by promising an unjust war - Iraq war. He was granted president. Of course, to justify the war, they prepared a false flag terror attack. Six months after Bush's inauguration, WTC changed hands. (Silverstein got the lease in July, 01) If you want to plant explosive in the building covertly without being aware by anyone else, you had to control the ownership of the building. Eight months later, we saw 911 attack.
The media waved the terror intimidation on people, targeted at Iraq then and now at Iran. Media censored every word on 911 truth even though there are a lot of flaws in this false flag attack and rarely talk about the story how Iran abandoned dollars as its oil trading currency. This is how the inside group control public's opinion by media. They wash your brain with the information they want you to know and censor the truth they want to hide from you. With media they play people as fools.
Media used to censor the news of US military threat on Iran, here is the recent one:
Quote, "Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
Thursday, August 7, 2008
The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.
They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.
Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and .....
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html
Will we see a big operation in near future? When China concentrates on Olympic Games and Russia engages in a sudden war. |
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Sungkathak, answer two questions for me and I'll leave you and your idiotic, raving, lunatic posts alone.
1. If the United States of America is so bad, so evil, so bent on world domination: Why do you insist on living here?
2. Are you, in fact, a citizen of these United States, natural or otherwise?
Have a nice day, enjoy your stay in the most liberated nation on the face of the globe.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: 567. Oil price, tax refund and Iran war (8/29/08) |
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Do you want to deport all those whom have different opinion than you?
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7. The big events relate to the Iran oil Bourse (8/22/0
(1) Undersea cable cuts.
Iran's oil Bourse was planed to open during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11) at the latest. It finally inaugurated on Feb. 17. What caused the delay? The communication problem - in a week or so, there were five under sea cable cuts.
2/3/08. Quote, "US Crashes Internet In Middle East After Saudi Threat, Russia Responds With Air Forces
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
February 3, 2008
Reports circulating in the Kremlin today are painting a grim picture of just how desperate US War Leaders have become as their economy continues its freefall towards total bankruptcy by their crashing of Global Internet access for the Middle East’s banking centers in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Iran, UAR, Turkey and Kuwait.
The significance to the severing of these cables is the Middle East Banking Centers being denied access to the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), based in Brussels and which carries up to 12.7 million messages a day containing instructions on many of the International transfers of money between banks, lies in Saudi Arabia, or any other Middle East Nation, being unable to change their previously, before loss of communication, encoded currency instructions from being changed.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1067.htm
2/4/08. Conspiracy Theories and Cut InterTube Cables”
“February 4, 2008 - Fourth Undersea Fiber Optic Cable Cut. Cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was damaged on Sunday, February 3, causing more telecommunication disruptions.
This month, Iran was supposed to open its own bourse, trading oil and oil futures in Euros and other currencies, but not the dollar. Delinking oil from the dollar would protect Iran from Bush's spendthrift invasion and occupation of Iraq, and the resulting collapse of the US dollar.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1386&category=Environment
2/6/08. Submarine Cables, Subsidiares and Subversion
The Iranian oil bourse was going to be a stock market for petroluem, petrochemicals and gas. What’s the big catch here? The exchange planned on being ran with currencies excluding the U.S. dollar. ...... So, obviously, the U.S. is not going to be happy about this. The biggest piece of information linking this to the recent damages is the proposed location of the bourse: the island of Kish. This is the island that is RIGHT NEXT TO at least two of the cuts that have recently occurred:
Some of you may suddenly be thinking to yourselves that this sounds familiar. That’s because the last person who decided to stop using the U.S. dollar for trading oil was a man by the name of Saddam Hussein in the fall of 2000.
[UPDATE: To further add to this argument, this would not be the first time the U.S. would have disrupted submarine cables to further themselves in times of war or conflict. (Operation Ivy Bells <http>) (Previous NSA Submarine Wiretaps <http>)]
http://www.ilovebonnie.net/2008/02/06/submarine-cables-subsidiares-and-subversion/
2/9/08. 5th cable cut fuels allegations of isolating Iran
Leslie D`Monte & Rajesh S Kurup / Mumbai February 9, 2008
Conspiracy theories of deliberately cutting communication lines to West Asia, primarily Iran, gained ground in the media and blogs as reports of another undersea cable cut - the fifth successive one in just a week's time - started emerging in cyberspace. While the extent of Iran's isolation was unclear, many blogs alleged that the cable cuts and outages in West Asia were a ploy by an intelligence agency to disrupt Iranian commerce, targeting an emerging petroleum exchange that the country was shortly hoping to roll out.
http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=8&subLeft=2&chklogin=N&autono=313112
If a store refuses to accept someone's cheque due to his bad credit record, can that man intrude into the store and kill the manager and occupy that store? That's what US did to Iraq.
If another store refuses to accept someone's cheque due to his bad credit record, can that man cut the telephone line of that store as revenge? That's what US did to Iran. Now it sends a naval armada to the Persian Gulf.
If someone cuts the undersea cable in Hawaii and NewYork, what will US do? A war, I suppose. Now you can see who is the threat of the world. |
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| sungkathak wrote: |
| Do you want to deport all those whom have different opinion than you? |
You are welcome to stay, of course, IF you're here LEGALLY. Otherwise, I'd be more than happy to help you leave.
Question: Have you or the authors of the articles considered the possibility that the other oil-producing nations might have something to do with the cut cables? I mean, there's Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and the United Arab Emirates; Jordan and Syria; Pakistan; India...the list goes on.
Most likely it was a drunk cable splicer and a story inflated by a Pulitzer Prize seeker. |
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The answer is pretty simple. Do you still believe Iraq of Saddam's era had been a threat to US? Do you still believe Iraq had WMD? Who really has WMD and invades Iraq? US. Not Saudi, India, Pakistan.... Everybody knows it. And everybody knows who cut the cable. Just look who sends armada to the Persian Gulf.
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8. The big events relate to the Iran oil Bourse (9/1/0
(2) Beside the undersea cable cuts in February, Bush regime decided to war on Iran in August. For this plan Pentagon cleaned high range military officials whom opposing the Iran war, either by firing them or eliminating by "natural disease".
Quote, " Fallon 'may lose job over Iran war'
Fri, 07 Mar 2008
Admiral William Fallon, the head of the US Central Command, may lose his job for opposing President Bush's plans to wage war against Iran.
The Navy admiral has vowed that an attack on Iran would 'not happen on his watch', calling the White House warmongering echelons 'not helpful'.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=46317§ionid=3510203
Fallon finally had to resign from his job in March.
Quote, " Iran invasion critic Gen. Odom dies of 'apparent heart attack'
01 Jun 2008- William E. Odom, a retired Army lieutenant general who was a senior military and intelligence official in the Carter and Reagan administrations and who, in recent years, became a forceful critic of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, died May 30 at his vacation home in Lincoln, Vt. An autopsy will be performed, but his wife said he had an apparent heart attack. Gen. Odom became a fixture on news programs and never altered his critical stance toward the Bush regime's policies in Iraq and Iran.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/31/AR2008053102193.html
Quote, "Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
By Muhammad Cohen
May 28,08
NEW YORK - The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.
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In all this Bush-bashing you people have been engaging in over the past 8 years, has anybody mentioned the fact that Bush is a Neocon? AND, has anybody mentioned the actual definition of Neocon??? I'll bet the answer to the 1st question is yes and the 2nd question is a resounding, NO.
So allow me to enlighten. The Neocons (and yes they are a real group, they do not hide) were founded by liberals who chose to "switch sides" as it were to the conservative side. And yet, they continue to espouse many of the same ideas they did as liberals. These Neocons are a masquerade. They are not true conservatives. So often you hear, including on this forum, the accusation that someone, including myself, is a Neocon. Well, I got around to researching that accusation. If I was gonna be called something then I wanted to know what it was. As it turns out, I am a damn site far from a Neocon. People on the BV have been mis-using this term to bash anyone promoting conservative ideas.
Bush is a Neocon. This, if I'm not mistaken, is neither in doubt nor is it denied.
And before you jump to conclusions let me add that most of what Bush has been doing his 8 years in office has been liberal or neutral at best.
"NWO"? Yep. Now I see the real meaning of that term and perhaps we can relate it to Senator Lieberman's recent statements, of which you should take notice. "Things are not normal." No kidding?!
For those of you who claim that the war in Iraq was conservatives run amok, you are in error. What you failed to realize is that that was not "our" side doing that.
And, the war in Iraq was a strategic move (and smart one IMO), not just in the war on terrorism but the wars to come. Nobody outlawed war just yet, but go ahead you give it a try. All the wars that the US has been involved in was brought to us by liberal Democrat presidents and usually backed by liberal Democrat congresses. That is up until Bush 41 (mister New World Order himself).
What has Bush 43 done that is conservative (other than a few things at the beginning to make it look good)?
Amazing how much complaint there is purely based on the label attached to someone. If Clinton was president the last 8 years you would hear the news media praises of the War in Iraq night and day. You know its true.
Remember JFK? Know why they got rid of him? He was in the way. You don't assassinate presidents for what they did. You assassinate them for what they are going to do. For example, ex-Presidents do not get assassinated no matter how much they may be hated. It don't happen. What was JFK gonna do? Answer: get in the way of the same thing that's going on now that was going on then in the reverse direction, the systematic takeover of a major political party. This time its the takeover of the Republican party by Neocons. Last time it was the takeover of the Democrat party by socialists.
Now that I got the SS and the FBI reading this post...
Yes, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. That's why the US has a state department. Consistency. In the end, all this Bush-bashing amounted to squat. My biggest beef with the Neocons is that they do not push for conservative policies, that we know are right and that work.
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nuke, you are wrong..
LBJ was assassinated on his ranch after he was out..
Sung, KEEP on posting what you find..
i find your stuff VERY informative..
even your questions..
and martian..
if YOU don't like americans being free enough to question, and disagree, go back to nazi germany where you belong..
oops, sorry, we smoked em..
sorry, maybe next time buddy..
you can always hope they start another here just  for you.... |
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Evutch, being accused of Nazism by someone that doesn't understand the meaning of the term is almost, but not quite, funny. I've met too many people bearing the scars of Peenemunde and Auschwitz to let you off the hook just because you hung a smiley on the end of your post.
Why didn't sungkathak answer the question concerning his citizenship status? He should be PROUD to be one of us! Is he ashamed to admit he's a citizen of the most liberated nation on the face of the Earth? Why are you defending him, is he your boyfriend?
I'll bet he's that jerkoff on eBay that sold me a bad processor, charged eight bucks postage and then shipped the thing regular mail with no padding, pin cover or electrostatic protection. At least I got my money back, TWO MONTHS LATER. "Cisco engineer", my *ss. I gave him a bad review, hope he enjoyed it.
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nuke, you are wrong..
LBJ was assassinated on his ranch after he was out..
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evutch, you are wrong.
Johnson died at 4:33 p.m. on January 22, 1973, from a third heart attack at his ranch, at age 64. His health had been affected by years of heavy smoking and stress; the former president had severe heart disease. He was found by Secret Service agents, in his bed, with a phone in his hand. |
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nuke, you are wrong..
LBJ was assassinated on his ranch after he was out..
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evutch, you are wrong.
Johnson died at 4:33 p.m. on January 22, 1973, from a third heart attack at his ranch, at age 64. His health had been affected by years of heavy smoking and stress; the former president had severe heart disease. He was found by Secret Service agents, in his bed, with a phone in his hand. |
...the socialist prig knows he wasn't ass-inated. The bird's brain is embedded with socialistic gasms. He doesn't know True Communism from manifested Judeasim. He's an unwitting Marxist as a result of a severely senile outlook about America and in way to close a proximity to the real lizard thieves and their prose.
Evut, take a sabbatical....you've earned it. |
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The Topic of this thread was "What good is Bush".
Answer: 8 years. |
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9. The big events relate to high oil price (9/12/0
When Iran's Bourse inaugulated, the inside group decided to push up the oil price as high as they could. Then to start war on Iran to justify the price coming down. High oil price would hurt economy badly. To soften the intension, they played a "tax refund" game. All these happened in February.
567. Oil price, tax refund and Iran war (8/29/0
Now it becomes clear the original Iran war plot was planed to start around August 8, when the openning ceremony of Olympic Games was performed in China; the war broke out between Georgia and Russia; and a joint naval armada consisted of US, UK and France headed for Iran. The plot should have been designed in February, when Iran inaugurated its oil Bourse. To save the dollar, US pushed up the oil price. That price, I think, had been projected to maintain in high level until Iran was attacked and going out of oil trading business. In another word, the oil price will go normal after Iran going back to petro-dollar in oil trading. The price manipulation will justify the Iran war: See, It was Iran caused high oil price, we had a war on Iran and defeated it. Now price come down. The opinion certainly will be approved by a lot of people.
But the oil price went down after July 4th, a month earlier than the planed war date. Why?
1. I posted "556. Petro-dollar, the cause of Iran war (7/4/0" on 7/4. Pointed out US manipulated oil price to save the dollar. And Iran war is inevitable. On same day, obviously felt the approaching war threat, Iran had a positive response to the nuclear package. I at first thought Iran's response may postpone the US war plan. In #557, written on 7/9, I wrote, "Iran's constructive preliminary response is positive. But it's a dismay to warmonger. They lose an important excuse to start a war. It disturbs their war schedule. So US media treat the news with a low key and drop the news in the corner. However, the market reaction is inspiring. From 7/5 to 7/8, the oil price dropped for four days from $145 to $136 a barrel."
2. But the later development changed my view. US still send a massive naval armada to Persian Gulf. It means US doesn't care Iran's active response.
Before Iraq war, Saddam Hussain let weapon inspection team of U.N. inspect and search the WMD in Iraq. He even let them search his palace. The U.N. weapon inspection team found no evidence of WMD. Still, US invaded Iraq. Because WMD is only an excuse. So what for Iran's positive response. When a wolf wants to eat a lamb, it will do even there is no excuse.
3. Now I think the oil price start to drop is the result of my analysis posted on 7/4. Feds used to have swift response to my revelation.(see #47, 96, 113,168,337, 531.) Oil price is very sensitive to ordinary people. It affects their daily life. If people knew that the high price is caused by the manipulation of the government insiders, the response will be disastrous. So they quickly drive down the price.
4. One thing leads me to conclude that the government insiders had planed the August Iran war in February was their decision of tax refund in that month. When Iran inaugurated its oil Bourse on 2/17, the inside group chose to push up the oil price to save the dollar. At the purpose that people will become angry at the high price. The inside group will take the chance to activate a war. When Iran has been forced to return to the petro dollar in oil trading, the oil price will drop. No one will blame this war then. The higher the oil price goes, the better the Iran war will be justified. So the group blows the trumpet:
Quote, "Goldman Sachs: $5.75 Per Gallon Gas Soon
Monday, June 30, 2008 12:00 PM
Look for the price of crude oil to continue to climb - reaching upwards of $200 per barrel - and for prices at the pump to reach $5.75 per gallon in the next two years, warns Goldman Sachs’ gas guru Arjun Murti .
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/oil_prices/2008/06/30/108535.html
Four days later, the bubble broke off at $147/barrel. Due to, I think, my revelation. Otherwise, the oil price would have been possible at $170/barrel in early August - the planed war time.
Someone said the government is incompetent. I don't think so. Did you see how they could start an unjust war in the name of something not existed? And how they had that notorious President to stay on the seat once again in 2004? This tax refund case, from the plan date in February to June when most people received their cheques, took only four months. It was very efficient. Why? Because the planed high oil price will hurt consumers confidence and hit the economy badly. So they gave each family $300 - $600 dollars to compensate the pain of the temporary high gas price. For June, July and August when the planed war would break out.
The oil price dropped to $110, then fluctuate between $110 and $120. It seems to be the equilibrium boundary for the dollar. Why they pushed it to $147 and intended more? Because the higher the oil price goes, the higher profit the speculator makes, and the better the war justified.
5. $110/barrel oil price is still too high, but a necessary to support the dollar. To pull it down, Iran war is inevitable.
Everything is prepared: false flag attack; secret deal with Russia and China; cooperation of allies; massive naval armada.... why they delayed again? Remember what I have said, the first priority for the Feds is to eliminate a witness of their crime who have revealed their plot so many times. So be watchful these days on hurricane, "natural disaster" and "terror attacks". |
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LBJ was killed on his ranch..
he didn't die of a heart attack..
i'll post the info when i find it..
very interesting reading..
i find sungs info alot more plausible than saying we're in there for freedom and the american way.
like any one would really be so stupid as to believe that.
and martian, i thank you for your knowlege on fascist atrocities..
it's what started all that , that worries me here.
and scream..
fug off. |
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