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SRO
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Percieved or otherwise. Ever heard of the placebo effect? The human brain is a mighty thing. Or well... Maybe it's not so mighty as we think, but it definitely has a pretty good control over your mind and body. It has the ability to make one feel sick to avoid a situation they don't wish to go through etc, so it is entirely possible, that homosexuality is "all in the head" but there's also a chance it is genetic, or some other non-choice factor.
Did you know, Jaack, that a very large majority of a humans problem solving comes from the subconcious? And that only the most basic is actually thought out? This says that the subconcious of a human mind is more powerful and active than that of the controllable concious mind. So who's fault would it be then, if it was a subconcious decision? Would it be any different from than breaking your ankle by inadvertantly stepping wrong? Or falling of a roof while clearing leaves or snow?
But that would be assuming it is all in the head, which I personally doubt.
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Equality?
Explain your reasoning, I'm sure I'll find it interesting.  |
I'm equally barred from marrying a man. |
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| If Californian's were bigots they would not have elected Obama. This is considered a very liberial state , so the reasons for voting yes on 8 went far deeper than spining bigoty as the reason. |
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wven in california as liberal as it is they
voted down same sex unions>>
that tells me that even in cali there are some very conservative liberals
when it comes to homosexuals>>
hummmmmmmmmmmmm>>>
just go with the flow>>>aquarian>>
it aint going to happen for a many more years>>
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Man is a piece of clay with code. All living things are. In one generation a habit or stress is practiced such as physical niches like running or swimming or hard labor and other practices varied and multifarious such as thinking; music; certain niches in problem solving are repeatedly practiced that an individual organism gets good at. Personality; emotional; and psychological stresses; infractions and reinforcements are fair game as well. Nature cares about the whole being. The habit or practice gets embedded in the organism' nervous and physical system (which are melded by nature to work synchronistically) by rote through the virtue of habit or training and proficiency is accrued over a life time. Every cell; muscle and neuron gets influenced through out the organism's system.
A process you may know science as referring to as adaptation.
In the next generation these practices are passed on (psychological influences as well) as a matter of course and/or lifestyle. So too are personality and emotional dervishments (varied attitudes and physical stresses and physiological stresses) are matrixed in the organism for better or for worse: familial social imprint as well as w/ training and/ or repetition plus outside influences.
By the third generation if any of these matrices are reinforced, a genetic memory begins to develop (I dare say this process really begins at the beginning, I.E. the first gen...anyhow...) and predispositions begin to manifest: attitudinally; talently; physiologically; etc. If another linage of similar bent or favorable (or unfavorable) adaptations is introduced the familial imprints and generationally genetic influences begin to be part of the linage in development as a matter of socio-environmental and physio-environmental adaptation. ...Why species develop survivability over overwhelming stresses and others, for lack of "talent" or certain propensity inherited, do not survive.
It is all taken in consideration by nature, but can be influenced by man...wittingly or unwittingly. Hence various creatures w/ various propensities accruing naturally and carrying on, unconsciously or consciously and is why observation and cognizances of habits and behaviors in offspring is critical. This is also why some cultures (some conscientiously) have realized in one form or another, cognizantly or not, the value of repetitive ceremony or custom to reinforce a survival technique...even like an artist practices - even to the point of it becoming instilled as creed. Meant results and dervishments are manifested, and some results not so welcome. It's nice and stupid to underestimate G-d and/or nature.
A civilization; species - creatures all, either survive or don't depending on what natural presentations they offer up to exist. Each gets their own in accordance to their works. Genetic memory is real. However we habitually exist influences our destiny. Genetic memory is real and developable.
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| If Californian's were bigots they would not have elected Obama. This is considered a very liberial state , so the reasons for voting yes on 8 went far deeper than spining bigoty as the reason. |
Homophobia and anti-gay sentiment runs across all political stripes. |
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| If Californian's were bigots they would not have elected Obama. This is considered a very liberial state , so the reasons for voting yes on 8 went far deeper than spining bigoty as the reason. |
Homophobia and anti-gay sentiment runs across all political stripes. |
Oh well.
It's the way things are. |
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| If Californian's were bigots they would not have elected Obama. This is considered a very liberial state , so the reasons for voting yes on 8 went far deeper than spining bigoty as the reason. |
Homophobia and anti-gay sentiment runs across all political stripes. |
The resistance you are experiencing is from a source below realization. Your life style does not reinforce procreation; the species survivability as a whole is instinctively realized and perceived as under threat to the "herd" on a base level by your kind (humans) at large, so you get a lot of base and irrational reactions.
Your choice, however manifested, in higher thinking creatures can be rationalized and coped with; homogenized and peaceably dealt with among many, even to great benefit, but you will never be able to fully dodge the base instinct reaction of the species' survival triggers.
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| If Californian's were bigots they would not have elected Obama. This is considered a very liberial state , so the reasons for voting yes on 8 went far deeper than spining bigoty as the reason. |
Homophobia and anti-gay sentiment runs across all political stripes. |
normal phobia and actual marriage phobia seems to have you fellers to champion it. All with the made up plight that you are some specially different type of human who all deserve extra human rights conferred upon them.
Aquarian no matter what your group picks to champion as the "IF WE" as in if we just had this then everything would be better. No amount of that will ever wipe away the guilt and self hate you feel for your very persons, your actions and your warped states of mind.
Once you seek to force society to accept your demented lifestyles then you have made society a party to your perverted relations, and society says NO MEANS NO!
Still love you and hope you put the homersexuality down and walk away. I would write put it behind you, but hey that could be misconstrued. |
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Boloney, the vote was 5.5 million people who said yes in California and I was one of them. Last time it failed 62% in favor. This state is extremely tolerant of Gays and you have zero room to complain, provisions are thruout our laws to guarentee your rights for civil unions with benifit rights.
Homophobia is a great label you place on the world who believes homosexual acts are wrong. Get over it, your own state told you the same thing in Florida, as well as other states.
Bottom line is the voters turned in down twice now in California and also in your own state. The state supreme court passed by only one vote last summer, a very slim and mariginal decision, not a slam dunk. That would be doubtful that single judge would over ride a second passing by the voters again.
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| Homersexuality is natural where's the scientific test? Plus what about all the Chuck and Larry's |
Itīs like saying if God exists were is the scientific test?
You cannot have those two things separate either.
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Yes I agree that anyone should get married if they want to, most people still lives in the past as I`ve said countless of times thatīs why stupidity is the ruling factor in the world today which makes them unable to comprehend things beyond their small minds. 
And Jaack...homersexuallity sounds fun  |
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| If you guys want to marry each other, go to another country where it's allowed, or go to the Arab countries, they kill queers over there. |
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