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Israel has been the most aggressive country in the Middle East for five decades running. And I believe they are the largest Nuclear threat in existence, as far as being willing to use thier weapons. If anything Israel is in need of leash more then any other country I can think of. And yet noone holds them accountable for thier actions. Of course I have no wish to see any country wiped out. But I never have understood completely why Israel enjoys such latitude with regard to her aggressive actions. |
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| But I never have understood completely why Israel enjoys such latitude with regard to her aggressive actions. |
Holocaust and money.
It also doesn't help matters when their enemy isn't exactly without guilt. |
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| 200+ Nuke warheads gives some latitude and thats the other possibility in the blackmail, help Israel out or the they nuke the USA. |
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| It was the holocaust and money that got them the American made nukes in the first place. |
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Actually Israel makes its own nukes and had been trying since 1949.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
But if the USA did give them nukes that would beg the question of Why?
Once again it points to some serious blackmail. |
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| Heres your "generated crisis" its generated out of the market fall out. They were talking about the possibility of the big three automakers shutting down and a loss of 3 million jobs on the news today (either CNN or Fox I didn't pay much attention to the channel at the time). Thats a crisis that could lead to worker violence requiring troops. |
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| Heres your "generated crisis" its generated out of the market fall out. They were talking about the possibility of the big three automakers shutting down and a loss of 3 million jobs on the news today (either CNN or Fox I didn't pay much attention to the channel at the time). Thats a crisis that could lead to worker violence requiring troops. |
I believe that is the whole point Aquatank. Violence........the government wants violence, they want a reason to use all the weapons they have arrayed against the people. They need a reason to detain people in mass that disagree with thier globalist agenda of One World Government. There is no doubt a certain portion of the population will resist. The New World Order has been preparing for that eventuality. I'm sure they will make quite an example of the first people to stand up and fight. |
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Simple truths are so evident yet not accepted by some.
The people elected BO "Big Ears" HUSSEIN Obama, it's not the Gub-er-mint who wants anything.
Too bad Black helicopter is Stalking me Guy still loathes Bush yet seemingly adores BO. I haven't hear Alex "Muckraker" Jones lately is this his new tome?
And heck fire yeah if I were Israel actions speak louder than seal loathing words so many American neutered-males seem to champion. |
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The only thing simple here is dummies like you.
It's perfectly obvious that you haven't let one single word Computer_Guy has written sink into your dense head. |
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IMO I don't think the government wants violence, is it preparing for it certainly, it'd be stupid not to. No I think they want to tighten the screws, but I've been looking at it for quite sometime now and its not just the government its a mass unconcious social movement that tightens the screws and allows it to happen. If there is a conspiracy to do so its more effective to tighten the screws without the bulk of the people noticing than one fell swoop.
Part of the problem with the auto industry is if it closes down 3 million people may be unemployed and this be wher the military waltzes in and makes the auto workers work anyway because the military industrial complex requires them. They'll be compensated but probably at federal minimum wage. Of course thats just sheer wild speculation. It take a supreme court order like over Air Traffic Controllers to make this manuever. |
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IMO I don't think the government wants violence, is it preparing for it certainly, it'd be stupid not to. No I think they want to tighten the screws, but I've been looking at it for quite sometime now and its not just the government its a mass unconcious social movement that tightens the screws and allows it to happen. If there is a conspiracy to do so its more effective to tighten the screws without the bulk of the people noticing than one fell swoop.
Part of the problem with the auto industry is if it closes down 3 million people may be unemployed and this be wher the military waltzes in and makes the auto workers work anyway because the military industrial complex requires them. They'll be compensated but probably at federal minimum wage. Of course thats just sheer wild speculation. It take a supreme court order like over Air Traffic Controllers to make this manuever. |
That's where that government service crap comes into play that O'bama has been soft peddling.
I'm afraid I don't agree in anycase. They are expecting violence. Because in a very short while, the completely orchistrated destruction of the dollar is going to leave alot of very hard working people completely broke. And you can bet you're ass some of them aint going to stand for it.
And that will likely be about the time O'bama confiscates all the 401k's so that the greater good can be served like all good Socialist minded puppets. |
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I think you and I are prone to a bit of hyperbole when it comes to forecasting future events and even current ones. That aside.
Its my opinion the government doesn't want the violence but is only preparing for it if it comes to that. They are looking at the opposite of a strike and aren't sure what will happen. The UAW with no power for contracting jobs but it is still well organized NGO. Its unknown territory with a large group that outnumbers the military. Violence would get very messy, and as some of the company manufacture military equipment it could have high tech arms in stock as well if workers take the plants.
Generally speaking that isn't a pretty situation and I feel the governemnt wants to avoid the violence. The march to fascism is much easier to accomplish when its done by stealth rather than brute force.
The bailout sounds good on the surface but its the wrong move. It isn't Tax and Spend, it is give away and tax, The government gets no services or goods in return and the taxpayer then gets nothing out of it. Tax and Spend atleast has a product or service to it. If the bailout happens the money will be spent as badly as the banks did.
The problem with the bailouts is they are cheated on by the rich. What happens is that the richest of the aristocracy buy out their lesser and becoming nobility in an already elitist caste of American society. These companies become more and more powerful as a result. Eventually they may offer to buy peoples debts in exchange for ironclad work contracts that force their workers to accept the company decides is the pay rate. Because of the power of these companies this may actually lead to a lowering of federal and state minimum wages in the face of national financial crisis further empoverishing employees and making their company debt contracts longer and harder to pay off. Basically it means collective bargaining has gone out the window. U nions may become powerless if the government makes them look unAmerican and the antithesis of economic recovery (the Rightwing will love doing that, they'll be going "I told you so" too") in such asituation.
That is not a situation I want to see. What is needed is large government contracts for goods and services from the auto makers. This ensures that the money is not a give away and as a result the ripple effect is minimzed because tertiary industries are not left in the cold. Since the USA needs a new infrastructure from roads and new technology motor technowlogies as well as power grids the auto manufacturers are in prime position to gear over production much asthey were in WWII. A Newest Deal for the 21st century is better than a giveaway. When we get that new infrastructure in place with the USA socio-political problems sorted out we can step quickly from the 21st century and into 22nd before anyone else and become a respected world leader again. But we have to be able to brave enough to take the steps that deal with the Internal problems first and become less relainat on a globalized world. "Made in America" must mean not outsourced work and that only raw materials come here and its made here, not just a continually lowering percentage of assembly is carried out here.
But if we look to the fascist aristocracy to save us, they won't. |
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I think you and I are prone to a bit of hyperbole when it comes to forecasting future events and even current ones. That aside.
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Hyperbole  Perhaps four or five years ago I would have agreed with that statement. But these days Aquatank, it's just not necessary. Infact I bet we don't see more then 5% of the most significant issues discussed here on the board. There is just to damned much to cover anymore. America and her heritage are under attack from every possible angle of the compass.
Well.........in retrospect.......I suppose on occassion I do manage to get on my soapbox. And on those occassions I may be prone to saying what I see in my own words. If that's what you consider hyperbole I guess I'd have to wear it.
In anycase I enjoy reading your well considered opinions. I seldom find myself disagreeing with you completely. |
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Hmmm... I think they're preparing for violence, because it's inevitable, or at least very likely.
The plan that I see unfolding from my perche thousands of km away, is they are training personelle and conditioning people, for if there is violence. The, whatever percentage, of the people rebel, they are punished, some are killed, then people don't want to rebel anymore.
I don't think the plan is avoid violence, I think the plan is quite military in nature, destroy the enemy's morale before they are able to fight. |
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