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Really? Who died and left you in charge? Personal opinion does not constitute International Law. Remember that, please. 
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We pay taxes for the government to provide services. Some of these services are part of the government and some are contracted out to independent companies. This system has been around for awhile now.
The differences in political ideology actually have to do specifically with taxes and the government services, and some cases how we live our lives.
As I said it is my opinion that there is a balance between Socialism capitalism and democracy that can be achieved. And while the USA does have some stability it also still has a distinct economic divison of classes. Not only is it economic but there is also social division of classes, what schools, churches, clubs one attends, what jobs you hold (not just how much it pays but what it is. the wrong jobs carry a stigma) where you live, how long you have lived there, who your family is. While it is not always easy to see the class divisions are there nonetheless.
I would guess most socialists in the USA are more concerned with bringing more economic equality through better access to health care, pay, working conditions, living conditions and publics general welfare than actually evening the playing field. But these moves for economic equality come with a cost, some of it is taxes because the government is less expensive and is less inept than some major companies. And some of the expenses must be regulated onto the companies to ensure fair wages.
The problem comes when the companies owners start pulling strings in the government. When they say no to fair wages, (Examples: Restraunts & Agriculture still have lower minimum wages than regular work places. Anyone making Federal minimum wage knows how hard it is to survive on it, and then there are these special lower wages.) its not in the public interest but in the profit margin. And when the profit margin is high enough for company execs and upper echelons to make 150 to 300 times what their average worker makes there is definate problem in the system. Somebody is going cry class envy at this point. To this is the answer, that sometimes it is. Unfortunately. living poor doesn't come cheap, and hard work doesn't pay the bills when the areas cost of living is twice or more the hourly wage rate. What does one give up to survive, the roof over the head, the food in the belly, heat, clean water, clothing, shoes, electricity, or health insurance? If you have kids how do you pay for their schooling, even public schools have annual fees. I remember working a soup kitchen one october and seeing people whose only clothing were handkerchiefs and bandanas to cover their privates and their children weren't any better off, yep that was here right in the good 'ole USA under Reagan. Cries of class envy only go so far when your on the poorer side of the median income bell curve.
Somehow I am of the opinion that people in this country should be better off and more equal. That we should have places to live and work, we should have jobs and food, and we should be able to pay taxes to get a doctors help just like we do with police, soldiers and firefighters. And yes I think we can find a balance between that and having fair competition in capitalism in a society with democratic governement.
But that isn't what is happening, what is happening is the great problem of capitalism and a free deregulated market, the fish getting Big fish getting eaten by Bigger Fish ad nauseum depopulating the lake the lake is what is happening. And its this elitism ansd elimination of fair comptition and fair work plaes that is leading towards a state of aristocracy, nobility, and political royalty with its own morality (or amorality) that marches this country further along the lines to a dictatorship.
If we were to set a path from the South Pole along the prime meridian with teh goal of eventually reaching Greenwich England, the USA's march would currently be in Madgascar heading and heading towards Nepal. Obama's shift is only slight and changes the heading towards Afghanistan. We need a enough of left tug to point at Italy to get us to Greenwich. |
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| Why don't you look it up since you obviously need the education. |
Um, because there's no need to look up the obvious? 
If we hadn't had the consensus of NATO and most of the Middle Eastern states (or at least the ones important enough to matter), we couldn't have done such a thing, now, could we? What would we do, nuke the entire free world? With what, 20-year-old warheads in 20-year-old missiles and bombs that have 50% reliability? 
Educate me on whether or not you're in charge, O Master of Computer Guises, if you can. Wait, there it is, in Wikipedia: "Compewter_Guide, aka C_G, is not in charge."
Since we already know you're not in charge, don't speak for most Americans, and MISSED the obvious, I repeat: Personal opinion does not constitute International Law.
Smile, C_G. Hope you enjoyed the show, and enjoy our new Prez after he's sworn in. |
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Popular wisdom is sacred.
Do not ask questions. The answers you need are provided for you by your caring traitors in positions of power and influence. |
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Oh is that so ?
There has never been any proof at all that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.
Did you know Osama Bin Laden has never been formaly charged with 9/11 ? Go to the FBI's most wanted page and check it out. He's wanted and charged with other things, but not 9/11.
And what the hell is this crap about wars being declared on us 700 years ago. 500 years before we even existed as a nation. You must be one of those Masonic Morons to be trying to run that BS as justification.
And One More Thing 
If 9/11 was conducted by these Muslim Boogiemen you are prepared to destroy the planet over. And thier purpose was to destroy our way of life. Then the leadership in this country is responsible for making the attack a ressounding sucess.
I wasn't completely sold when some of the boardmembers fingered you as a paid propagandist. But I think I am now. Either that or you are one completely unstable hatefilled SOB. |
Your anger...as all anger...is fear based. WT..the boardmembers are now expert at pinning me as a paid propagandist...?
...how about a nailer a Truth that upsets you and yours a bit more than you can tolerate. Example:
Muslim boogie men...lets just say YOU are absolutely correct w/ the 9.11 theory you and the Truthers espouse...lets say you and your misguided minions are 100% correct...and that my skill as a propagandist is tried; trained and true and not just a product of effective elucidation. Does that change any of the validity of the Islamic revolution? ...even if Bush engineered 9/11...like they give a crap about Bush?...or the Mossad engineered 9/11?...like they give a crap about the that?.....
DOES THAT:
change the fact that Islamic recourses (oil) and radicalized Islamic fundamental value systems are embroiled in economic (oil); political; sociological and psychological ( "putsch" a la Islam) war fare against both the socialist secular left value (the West) and the Judaeo-Christian value (the West) value systems? These are the three value systems with the greatest political clout on planet earth today. What you see through western eyes, the Islamists see as divide and conquer w/ patience both the secular left (sinners/ infidel) and the Judaeo-Christian dogs (blasphemers/ infidel/ pig/ kafir)
http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR01102
...and they do not give a screw. Better U see and mock them as "boogie men" as far as they are concerned (stealth you and yours grant them)...of course lets not worry about them...why should we. They did not orchestrate 9.11. You know what? Screw 9.11. You really think that makes a piss to them!?!?!? How's my propaganda now? ...now, why would we want to stop them before the planet is decimated for the sake of Sharia Law? ..o-o-o-h..ya; right, were forcing them..is that it? You feel they will lay down the sword for the asking?..babbling any thing else is wretched propaganda. You; Nesaie and a couple of other whacknoid seculars do a good job of that. real good. Just look at your latest post above. Obama's, just like the 80 to 90 % of the 52% that voted his 142 I.Q. neophyte ass into office w/ this socialist crap will play right into that. ...I'm not even impressed. |
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We pay taxes for the government to provide services. Some of these services are part of the government and some are contracted out to independent companies. This system has been around for awhile now.
The differences in political ideology actually have to do specifically with taxes and the government services, and some cases how we live our lives.
As I said it is my opinion that there is a balance between Socialism capitalism and democracy that can be achieved. And while the USA does have some stability it also still has a distinct economic divison of classes. Not only is it economic but there is also social division of classes, what schools, churches, clubs one attends, what jobs you hold (not just how much it pays but what it is. the wrong jobs carry a stigma) where you live, how long you have lived there, who your family is. While it is not always easy to see the class divisions are there nonetheless.
I would guess most socialists in the USA are more concerned with bringing more economic equality through better access to health care, pay, working conditions, living conditions and publics general welfare than actually evening the playing field. But these moves for economic equality come with a cost, some of it is taxes because the government is less expensive and is less inept than some major companies. And some of the expenses must be regulated onto the companies to ensure fair wages.
The problem comes when the companies owners start pulling strings in the government. When they say no to fair wages, (Examples: Restraunts & Agriculture still have lower minimum wages than regular work places. Anyone making Federal minimum wage knows how hard it is to survive on it, and then there are these special lower wages.) its not in the public interest but in the profit margin. And when the profit margin is high enough for company execs and upper echelons to make 150 to 300 times what their average worker makes there is definate problem in the system. Somebody is going cry class envy at this point. To this is the answer, that sometimes it is. Unfortunately. living poor doesn't come cheap, and hard work doesn't pay the bills when the areas cost of living is twice or more the hourly wage rate. What does one give up to survive, the roof over the head, the food in the belly, heat, clean water, clothing, shoes, electricity, or health insurance? If you have kids how do you pay for their schooling, even public schools have annual fees. I remember working a soup kitchen one october and seeing people whose only clothing were handkerchiefs and bandanas to cover their privates and their children weren't any better off, yep that was here right in the good 'ole USA under Reagan. Cries of class envy only go so far when your on the poorer side of the median income bell curve.
Somehow I am of the opinion that people in this country should be better off and more equal. That we should have places to live and work, we should have jobs and food, and we should be able to pay taxes to get a doctors help just like we do with police, soldiers and firefighters. And yes I think we can find a balance between that and having fair competition in capitalism in a society with democratic governement.
But that isn't what is happening, what is happening is the great problem of capitalism and a free deregulated market, the fish getting Big fish getting eaten by Bigger Fish ad nauseum depopulating the lake the lake is what is happening. And its this elitism ansd elimination of fair comptition and fair work plaes that is leading towards a state of aristocracy, nobility, and political royalty with its own morality (or amorality) that marches this country further along the lines to a dictatorship.
If we were to set a path from the South Pole along the prime meridian with teh goal of eventually reaching Greenwich England, the USA's march would currently be in Madgascar heading and heading towards Nepal. Obama's shift is only slight and changes the heading towards Afghanistan. We need a enough of left tug to point at Italy to get us to Greenwich. |
Wrong. I see your point and agree w/ quite a bit. I am not totally opposed to socialism for the helpless. That's compassion; but when you do make flat blanket policy on compassion alone you lose, how the hell do you think the sub prime fiasco got it's birth? Socialist policy......and as for democracy; I'm blue in the face tellin any that it is a tool -NOT A GOVERNANCE POLICY end game...FREEDOM is the governance policy end game and only those capable of executing COMMERCE WITH A CONSCIENCE WILL PREVAIL in freedom. ...but suck on Socialism long enough and greatly enough and socialism can make you helpless. Witness the great demise of thousands of small black business post LBJ's Great Society Policy of welfare. That is what destroyed them. The road unbridled socialism point at is that road. Wealth comes only from original ideas...the rest of the money is played off the primary inventions be they song or industry. COMMERCE WITH A CONSCIENCE is the only key that works. THAT destroys elitism and class warfare utterly and elevates the clever struggling to success.. Like repeating history?
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| [...and they do not give a screw. Better U see and mock them as "boogie men" as far as they are concerned (stealth you and yours grant them)...of course lets not worry about them...why should we. They did not orchestrate 9.11. You know what? Screw 9.11. You really think that makes a piss to them!?!?!? How's my propaganda now? ...now, why would we want to stop them before the planet is decimated for the sake of Sharia Law? ..o-o-o-h..ya; right, were forcing them..is that it? You feel they will lay down the sword for the asking?..babbling any thing else is wretched propaganda. You; Nesaie and a couple of other whacknoid seculars do a good job of that. real good. Just look at your latest post above. Obama's, just like the 80 to 90 % of the 52% that voted his 142 I.Q. neophyte ass into office w/ this socialist crap will play right into that. ...I'm not even impressed. |
Your selling fear Screamer and I aint buying. Blood begets blood, you will never reduce hatred by killing peoples families.
I now see the reality that our actions since 9/11 have brought upon us as a nation. But it is not a consequence of some obscure Muslim plan to rule the world. We create our own terrorist army to rise against us by occupying Muslim nations against the will of thier people.
I wonder how you would react if tonight soldiers kicked in your door? Would you drop to your knees and polish thier boots, as they felt up your daughter and wife in thier night clothes ? |
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| [...and they do not give a screw. Better U see and mock them as "boogie men" as far as they are concerned (stealth you and yours grant them)...of course lets not worry about them...why should we. They did not orchestrate 9.11. You know what? Screw 9.11. You really think that makes a piss to them!?!?!? How's my propaganda now? ...now, why would we want to stop them before the planet is decimated for the sake of Sharia Law? ..o-o-o-h..ya; right, were forcing them..is that it? You feel they will lay down the sword for the asking?..babbling any thing else is wretched propaganda. You; Nesaie and a couple of other whacknoid seculars do a good job of that. real good. Just look at your latest post above. Obama's, just like the 80 to 90 % of the 52% that voted his 142 I.Q. neophyte ass into office w/ this socialist crap will play right into that. ...I'm not even impressed. |
Your selling fear Screamer and I aint buying. Blood begets blood, you will never reduce hatred by killing peoples families.
I now see the reality that our actions since 9/11 have brought upon us as a nation. But it is not a consequence of some obscure Muslim plan to rule the world. We create our own terrorist army to rise against us by occupying Muslim nations against the will of thier people.
I wonder how you would react if tonight soldiers kicked in your door? Would you drop to your knees and polish thier boots, as they felt up your daughter and wife in thier night clothes ? |
I ain't sellin' squat word washer.. sell your blood begets blood bullsh^t to those that start killin' first. You see a conspiracy realty of 9.11. Did I not presume you were right about 9.11? Does that slow the obscure radicalized Muslims? No....hasn't for 1400 years.
Your so screwed into your truther trip you can't notice the subtleness of that theocratic propaganda imprint into the west...look at Europe dead eye. ...and you do not get it that they like it that way. They care about your opinion...or mine for that matter, as they care for a dripping faucet.
And as for your jack booted fantasy...don't notice the socialist secular movement as it silently crawls up your wazoo giving government more and more power...you'll get your fear dream. You won't even know what hit you. You'll be to busy worshiping 9.11
We have two problems today....Islamic value system and a secular collectivist mind set...Bush is out and 9.11 is history. |
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9/11 is an unsolved crime, not history. Do you live in some fantasy world where it's in the peoples interests to let those whom would lead such an attack go free?
Bush maybe gone but the wheels he set in motion are moving fast and picking up speed. Nothing that is coming will be a surprise to me screamer I am well versed on the Globalist Agenda. Versed enough to know Obama will only increase the speed of our decline. |
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The subprime fiasco got its birth from the banks not congress. There quite a few things banks do that get people caught in their web. The first is pushing credit cards on college students and the poor. The second is changing interest rates higher and late fees based on missing a payment. The third is the "you don't pay a dime until year/month". And fourthly and most important not being more stringent with saying no based on the credit rating & review of the applicant financial budget. If they can't afford to pay don't give them money, if they can barely afford to pay don't give them higher interest rates and higher late fees as punishment for giving them the unpayable in the first place. Really these problems are soley the result of certain banks predatory ways, and other banks complete disregard for safe business practice. At some point the banks have to say no, whether they want to or not and they have to tell the applicant that the no is for the applicant's own good.
On the otherside is the applicant. Generally a victim of circumstance, but often doing stupid buying on credit trying to keep of with the jones' or atleast not appear to be as poor as they really are. They don't save their money for what they want they buy it on credit and end paying more for it later than they would later. Its the result of social conditioning for a "I want it now" commercialized society. |
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9/11 is an unsolved crime, not history. Do you live in some fantasy world where it's in the peoples interests to let those whom would lead such an attack go free?
Bush maybe gone but the wheels he set in motion are moving fast and picking up speed. Nothing that is coming will be a surprise to me screamer I am well versed on the Globalist Agenda. Versed enough to know Obama will only increase the speed of our decline. |
Of course your well versed on what's up. That's why you know 9.11 is an inside job even though dumb Islamic radicals couldn't fly an airplane. Keep thinking people are as dumb as you think they are. That's why you know the war in Iraq is not needed because 9.11 is a set up plotted by evil Bush Elves (having been hatched in Afghanistan by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - not by the terror elves of the grand Bush admin.) ....and even though al-Qrudo ran from Afghanistan to Iraq after humiliation in Afghanistan, going after them in Iraq was non sequitur!?)...right....and are now in the Pakistan/ Afghanistan hinterlands because they got their sick asses kicked in Iraq....but lets not quibble over facts....and of course by the pretzel rationale you and the secular lambs gobsmack yourselves over...by extension....winning Iraq isn't critical. Now we have Yo Bama in office...you weirdly obfuscate what some actually know to be real pretty sh^t. |
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The subprime fiasco got its birth from the banks not congress. There quite a few things banks do that get people caught in their web. The first is pushing credit cards on college students and the poor. The second is changing interest rates higher and late fees based on missing a payment. The third is the "you don't pay a dime until year/month". And fourthly and most important not being more stringent with saying no based on the credit rating & review of the applicant financial budget. If they can't afford to pay don't give them money, if they can barely afford to pay don't give them higher interest rates and higher late fees as punishment for giving them the unpayable in the first place. Really these problems are soley the result of certain banks predatory ways, and other banks complete disregard for safe business practice. At some point the banks have to say no, whether they want to or not and they have to tell the applicant that the no is for the applicant's own good.
On the otherside is the applicant. Generally a victim of circumstance, but often doing stupid buying on credit trying to keep of with the jones' or atleast not appear to be as poor as they really are. They don't save their money for what they want they buy it on credit and end paying more for it later than they would later. Its the result of social conditioning for a "I want it now" commercialized society. |
The sub-prime fiasco was decades in gestation...no one could have predicted it until after the Clinton admin...and some certainly did. Fannie Mae started in the 30's as a good thing....the whole social reform progression slowly developed as more and more social/ collectivist programs were instigated. In the 60's LBJ reinforced lending institutions obligation to loan to high risk, low income more so w/ the advent of the Great Society programme which included the creationof Freddie Mac.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the two institutions that were manipulated by the unscrupulous as soon as the Clinton administration opened the flood gates of fiscal access with..ready for this? Legislation (you know, that which is passed by congress, etc?)... in the Clinton admin.; legislation passed at that time made it a Hard obligation (force of Law) for banks to make the loans to high risk propositions under the force of law partially of threat of suite per discrimination...go figure; stronger brunt of law than was predicated by LBJ. It was not the banks fault, but force of law (which is legislated by congress and its wheels greezed by good ole Prez B. J. Clinton). Yes indeed it was Congress...the democrats. Bush didn't help by inaction of the now recognized problem by a handful of experts long before it manifested into the fiasco it is today.
Jesus, no wonder T Obama is the Prez. Did everybody screw off doing home work as a kid?...or did we wait 'till college to play? |
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The subprime fiasco got its birth from the banks not congress. There quite a few things banks do that get people caught in their web. The first is pushing credit cards on college students and the poor. The second is changing interest rates higher and late fees based on missing a payment. The third is the "you don't pay a dime until year/month". And fourthly and most important not being more stringent with saying no based on the credit rating & review of the applicant financial budget. If they can't afford to pay don't give them money, if they can barely afford to pay don't give them higher interest rates and higher late fees as punishment for giving them the unpayable in the first place. Really these problems are soley the result of certain banks predatory ways, and other banks complete disregard for safe business practice. At some point the banks have to say no, whether they want to or not and they have to tell the applicant that the no is for the applicant's own good.
On the otherside is the applicant. Generally a victim of circumstance, but often doing stupid buying on credit trying to keep of with the jones' or atleast not appear to be as poor as they really are. They don't save their money for what they want they buy it on credit and end paying more for it later than they would later. Its the result of social conditioning for a "I want it now" commercialized society. |
I agree that usury sucks and should be cold cocked into reasonableness if not all together eliminated. It is some real evil crap.
The sub-prime fiasco was decades in gestation and no one could have predicted it until after the Clinton admin...and some certainly did. That's why socialism can be dangerous: it can sneak up on you.
Fannie Mae started in the 30's as a good thing....the whole social reform progression slowly developed as more and more social/ collectivist programs were instigated. In the 60's LBJ reinforced lending institution's obligation to loan to high risk, low income people more so w/ the advent of the Great Society programme which included the creation of Freddie Mac. This good and sincere heartfelt benevolent social engineering will backfire in 2007.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the two institutions that were manipulated, which triggered the sub-prime fiasco, by the unscrupulous as soon as the Clinton administration opened the flood gates of fiscal access with..ready for this? Legislation. (you know, that which is passed by Congress, etc?)... in the Clinton admin. legislation passed at that time made it a Hard obligation (force of Law) for banks to make the loans to high risk propositions under the force of law partially by threat of suite per discrimination...go figure. This is government centralization pushing free market forces out of the picture in the name of social reform - say "Hello" to the burly head of socialism; stronger brunt of law than was predicated by LBJ. It was not the banks fault, but force of law (which was legislated by congress and the wheels were greezed by good ole Prez B. J. Clinton). Yes indeed, it certainly was Congress...the Democrats to be precise. Bush tried like hell to respond. The dems blocked him with inaction.
The pleas of the now recognized problem by a handful of experts started12 Years before it manifested in 2007...into the fiasco it is today.
Jesus, no wonder T Obama is the Prez. Did everybody screw off doing home work as a kid?...or did we wait 'till college to play? |
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9/11 is an unsolved crime, not history. Do you live in some fantasy world where it's in the peoples interests to let those whom would lead such an attack go free?
Bush maybe gone but the wheels he set in motion are moving fast and picking up speed. Nothing that is coming will be a surprise to me screamer I am well versed on the Globalist Agenda. Versed enough to know Obama will only increase the speed of our decline. |
Of course your well versed on what's up. That's why you know 9.11 is an inside job even though dumb Islamic radicals couldn't fly an airplane. Keep thinking people are as dumb as you think they are. That's why you know the war in Iraq is not needed because 9.11 is a set up plotted by evil Bush Elves (having been hatched in Afghanistan by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - not by the terror elves of the grand Bush admin.) ....and even though al-Qrudo ran from Afghanistan to Iraq after humiliation in Afghanistan, going after them in Iraq was non sequitur!?)...right....and are now in the Pakistan/ Afghanistan hinterlands because they got their sick asses kicked in Iraq....but lets not quibble over facts....and of course by the pretzel rationale you and the secular lambs gobsmack yourselves over...by extension....winning Iraq isn't critical. Now we have Yo Bama in office...you weirdly obfuscate what some actually know to be real pretty sh^t. |
Ok man you go on believing fools that could barely fly a Cessna, managed to fly a jetliner with perfect pinpoint accuracy.
No no people are far more stupid then I ever gave them credit for. What I haven't determined beyond a doubt is if we really have that many stupid people, or if we have turned into a nation of willfully ignorant cowards.
But on the upside Now that I know all it takes to take down a 100 story building is a little fuel and fire and a couple of holes. I'm going into the demolition business. |
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wouldn't be simply enough for the terrorists to reprogram the auto pilot to do the flight. It certainly means some gps scouting of the target area and some math but once it was loaded after the takeover they bad guys wouldn't actually have to do the flying at all. |
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