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screamzero
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And a large plane such as the ones flown are incredibly more "stable" than a cessna.
The bit that gets me is there was no military intervention, none of those planes were shot down, and there was hours of warning from first hijack to last impact.
For those that spew the BS that we didn't know, become educated in avionics.
We have this thing called "secondary radar" which functions 100% independent to regular RADAR, this works by communicating with those "black boxes" (transponders) inside the planes, and from the secondary radar, we are able to discern current vector, current altitude, current air speed, and the attitude of the aircraft. And we have warning systems in place so that when an airliner goes off of it's projected course aircraft control is notified in some way. There was warning. There was no intervention. People can argue "Well there were f-18s in the air" and yes, good job, there was a couple of hornets in the air, and they did absolutely f**k all. They could have shot a plane down, killling, of course, the people on the ground where the plane lands. However this would obviously be far fewer people killed in the towers. But they didn't. The did nothing. There should have been an interception as soon as the first jet diverged from it's plotted course, if there was there would have been enough time to discern that the plane had to be shot down, because the tangos obviously wouldn't be communicating, and once they were hailed and there was no responce it is protocol to open fire.
None of that happened however. So why again do you have an airforce? |
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| ..for unblooded derelict pilots...and commanders ...at what was peace time....w/ a very hard to believe embedded threat designed as a sucker punch. |
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| So incompetence? What is the point in having a defence force that is incompetent? I don't buy it. It's been demonstrated numerous times how competent the US military really is. There's a reason that the fighters that managed to get airborne did nothing. They where ordered to do nothing. |
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| I don't see Obama calling for a nationalization of major industries or using collectives from labor unions to dictate trade policy or any other majorly socialist reforms, I really don't. I wish he was a Democratic-Socialist, but he's not. Someone who votes to socialize wealth for the WEALTHY is not a Socialist. |
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wouldn't be simply enough for the terrorists to reprogram the auto pilot to do the flight. It certainly means some gps scouting of the target area and some math but once it was loaded after the takeover they bad guys wouldn't actually have to do the flying at all. |
No dear.
But it's quite easy to fly those planes by remote control with a joystick and a laptop.
nb The joysticks are the electronic variety. |
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wouldn't be simply enough for the terrorists to reprogram the auto pilot to do the flight. It certainly means some gps scouting of the target area and some math but once it was loaded after the takeover they bad guys wouldn't actually have to do the flying at all. |
Of course that could have happened, and so could any number of possible scenarios. Like computer controlled remote piloting, which has been operational since the 80"s. It would be very easy to put the occupants of an aircraft to sleep via the air supply. It has been speculated by professional aircraft pilots that the precision banking necessary to execute the turns seen on 9/11 would have had to be done by a computer.
The bottom line is............the governments story doesn't add up. And when one applies the old maxim. "Who Benefitted", you can clearly see it certainly wasn't abunch of virgin hunters, hold up in caves. |
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| So incompetence? What is the point in having a defence force that is incompetent? I don't buy it. It's been demonstrated numerous times how competent the US military really is. There's a reason that the fighters that managed to get airborne did nothing. They where ordered to do nothing. |
....surprise? ...timing?...blindsided?..you think it a plot of self- cannibalism. Go for it. |
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| Just gotta love the way a left wing group of people will now confer this dastardly business w/ conservatives; neo-conservative..and of course the pseudo-liberals are a shoo on. The plot that really counts is 1400 years old and still driving around with a hard on. |
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...and the rapidly ushering in of collectivist mentality will make Kruchev's prediction a reality. Enjoy the coming disembowelment of America...Really now; there is a vast right wing conspiracy that will save yous asses...  ...but you will have to become teachable. Brain wash; brain dead; brain blisters; and...my favorite...brain farts, do not count. |
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Intercepters in the air.... Did not intercept suspected hijack targets after a plane was flown into the world trade centre.
You think that the [derelict] commanders accidentally informed the [derelict] pilots to not make contact? Go ahead. |
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Give us a break, SRO. You can't think of every possible attack in advance, any more than you can make an undecipherable code. Sooner or later somebody somewhere will come up with something you don't expect, and the harder you try, the easier you make it.
Believe whatever version of the story you want; no matter how it's spun, the hijacking still took place and the World Trade Center was still demolished. Sitting on our duffs and pointing fingers gets us nowhere at all; in the US, we have the Pentagon, White House, et cetera to do that for us. |
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Yes, and all those people died, RIP. That's the only reason I care, if it was a nothing incident and just the terrorists died, then I wouldn't give a damn.
My side of the story isn't hard to believe. It isn't without logic or reason, and nor is yours for that matter.
I find it quite suspicious that the intercept protocols were not followed. Why did the hornets not intercept? Why would a pilot -or any service member for that matter- disobeye protocol? You served. Under what circumstances do you not follow general protocol? When ordered to do otherwise.
I don't claim to know what happened that day, all I know is that something is fishy. Perhaps Bush orchastrated it, perhaps not. I tend to lean towards the later, I do think however that is was specifically allowed to happen and I think that there was more involvement than simply the planes impacting and the fuel burning. Steel-reinforced-concrete surrounded all 7 of the main support beams, and I don't buy that fire took out those beams all in unison, especially with the asymetrical distribution of heat and fuel, and of course the fact that the blunt force was certainly not distributed evenly.
There are WAY too many variables for both of them to fall perfectly of their own accord, especially with SO many variables that are obviously different in the two. WHAT ABOUT BUILDING 9! Too much of a coincidence. If that wasn't enough the US is launched into 2 new wars because of it. Who stand to benefit? I'm not some dumb no-plane truther, I don't know anything other than the fact that this sh*t being crammed down your throat does not equate. |
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| martiandrifter01 wrote: |
Give us a break, SRO. You can't think of every possible attack in advance, any more than you can make an undecipherable code. Sooner or later somebody somewhere will come up with something you don't expect, and the harder you try, the easier you make it.
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"Something you don't expect"??? 
You're kidding right?
Bush was handed a document months in advance of 9/11 that specifically warned that the WTC towers were one of the targets of Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, and that an attack on them all but imminent. |
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