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either way, its a very peculiar and strange feeling.
i just cant pin down how long ive felt this way....i used to love star trek:TNG, specifically the character "data"....for some reason his mannerisms resonated with me....by all appearences "human", but it was all clever machined trickery....he could, for instance, run a sub-routine, which would mimic emotion and emotional response, but he himself could not understand it at all.
anyway....for the longest time i have felt an "analytical" presence inside me....floating around "just behind the eyes" is how i always describe it....a "watcher".....like I carry it with me....its almost a cold, emotionless "machine" feeling....i have been able lately to switch it "on" and "off" a LITTLE BIT at will, not totally....there are plenty of times though it seems to "kick in" and i become "numb" and "passive"....strange to explain.....
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Sounds like a variant consciousness within the d.i.d. spectrum.
Is that what you were expecting to hear? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, all consciousness is the same. What differentiates it from itself is unique space-time experience.
So, it's entirely possible for one entity to "be" multiple awarenesses. |
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Deep down, the mind knows itself.
Way down deep, everybody knows. |
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The fact of the matter is, an entity cannot be "split" into neat little psychological sections, not really.
All the really important things (important to the individual mind/soul) are decentralized and intangible. |
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| Personanongrata wrote: |
Sounds like a variant consciousness within the d.i.d. spectrum.
Is that what you were expecting to hear? |
eh...no expectations, just wondered your opinion, and it certainly gives me cause to wonder precisely what the truth is....what you say makes sense. |
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| Personanongrata wrote: |
Sounds like a variant consciousness within the d.i.d. spectrum.
Is that what you were expecting to hear? |
eh...no expectations, just wondered your opinion, and it certainly gives me cause to wonder precisely what the truth is....what you say makes sense. |
Really? I was just bullshitting around!  
Tell me, have you ever considered that the universe may not be rational? That it may be largely irrational but containing rational elements?
That we humans may self-servingly seek out those relatively few rational elements that benefit us, while mostly in ignorance of the chaos & madness that is the true nature of existence? |
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If a system does not preserve truth, can it really be considered sane?
Does reality preserve truth, or is truth only incidental to continually fluxing circumstance? |
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If a system does not preserve truth, can it really be considered sane?
Does reality preserve truth, or is truth only incidental to continually fluxing circumstance? |
Hmm.
I would say that there are two types of truth...one, fundamental, and one perceptual. The first, permeates and surpasses the second.
Let us think of this example, albeit an imperfect one....
The sky is blue (on a clear day)....to the perceptions this is clearly true...yet to a colorblind person perhaps not, yet the "normal" person would say that the colorblind person is merely suffering from a physically deficient system of vision, that they sky is 'really' blue....but what do we mean when we say "blue" anyway? one cannot describe what blue "is"....like if one were going to describe the color blue to a blind person let's say.....in the case of perceptual truth, certainly so long as ones visual system is in order and working "normally", the sky is indeed undoubtedly and inarguably blue....science would agree.
however the "larger", "fundamental" truth is that there is no color....color is simply the manifestation of differing wavelengths of light as filtered through our "image sensor" (eye) and interpreted by the brain as a recognizable visual "quality" of an object...a phenomenon the brain utilizes (and creates) as a mechanism of differentiating between differing wavelengths of light bouncing off of, and being absorbed by, matter.
the fundamental truth would be the truth that exists independently of our fleshy sensory input manifestation definition....what really "is" there or really going on....
there really is no "speed", for instance, except when we have piece of physical matter with which to judge movement....in fact there is no movement at all, unless one has a physical medium to "pass" to make that movement define-able.....to the "perception", it must and needs to be true enough for purposes of quantification, definition, and functionality structured around a system of logic, so that one can function in the physical realm and interact and understand ones interaction with any degree of rational thought....however, the larger truth is a different thing....the reality the "universe" knows. |
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So, basically you are saying is that we aren't so much experiencing reality as we are experiencing how we experience?
How redundant. 
And you are saying that perceptual truth is contextual, but beyond perceptual truth -and containing it- is a larger truth of "nothing".
How nihilistic.
So, how do "mechanisms of differentiation" develop from a "state" of "no speed", "no color", and so on?
Oh, and maybe I missed it but you never really answered, did you?
What, iyo, is this "larger truth"..."the reality the universe knows"? |
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PNG sez
What, iyo, is this "larger truth"..."the reality the universe knows"?
That truth, in whatever size it comes in, manifests itself through our actions not our words |
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Martin cannon super shaman ghetto
Puck who is most like Paul Bernado
chopping off his mommy's hyper religious feet
Kalil Gibran's dog in the street
Puck who is most like Paul Bernardo
sent Geronimo a heart attack
made the spiritual capitalist bankrupt
killed Grandmother Arduous' tragic
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when the universe's heart goes pitter patter, is when time warping occurs. let's hope it has a heart attack.
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Homolka wHenchpeck
Repetitive didactic
Ceausescu's poisoned swell
Absentee Cheat at Scrabble
Ratchet necro humps privilege
narcissistic malignant
fixated summiting
Bebe Glazer Frightens Frasier
dogpiling
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Padre Pio's.
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Maybe consciousness puts on different shoes, or changes clothes, and lives a different part of it's personality...so fully it's unaware of the other, while living it.
Consciousness could also live in a big toe, the palm of the hand and other places of storage....(some blind folks have trained themselves to see with their hands.)
Since it's all holographic anyway, light or lasers could "change" intermittently both in space and in time without even the slightest shift in "awareness."
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Khan's issue into Ceausescu's sewer on Hitler's TV - Out, Out, Howard Lyman - repetitively.
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Torches of Freedom...how fuckin clever.....
shifting our appeal away from what we need to what we desire.
The Frankenstein of Salesmen ...diabolically brilliant... controlling the "bewildered herd" aka Blue Collar Americans...son of a bitch!
BRAVO PNG!
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Puck killed Geronimo's brother,
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poisoned psychic death whiz
Ceausescu's cheat at Scrabble patria potestas
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Then again, it would depend upon the inclination of the universe to produce rational elements out of irrationality.  |
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