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Nesaie
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Oh, the puppy must one more of the psychics around here who knows what everyone else thinks.
They just don't make those crystal balls the way they used to.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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These socratic posts of yours are kind of funny. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| No one here cares enough to warrant posting this garbage anyways. |
Yeah, who carse we only give Israel tens of billions anually to finace thier genicide.
I think you should just speak for yourself, or perhaps find you football blog to frequent. You will find many more brilliant thinkers there like yourself.  |
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Well, since none of you rabble-rousers can do this yourselves, I've got some links for US Foreign Aid data from the horse's mouth, i.e., unmodified by conspiracy theorists, whiners, et cetera.
US Overseas Loans and Grants main page: http://qesdb.usaid.gov/gbk/
Listing of recipient countries: http://qesdb.usaid.gov/gbk/countrylist.html
Shock, horror. Palestine isn't on the list. Either it's not recognized as a nation or the list is out of date, pick one, I can't answer that.
There's more specific info there but it's in .xls format and I don't have Excel on my computers. I haven't checked the .pdf stuff and I've got to run, bbl.
Would anyone with Excel who won't slice it up to suit their needs care to retrieve the docs and post them? |
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These socratic posts of yours are kind of funny. |
Well thanks, but I was serious. You said "No one here cares...." so I was wondering where here is for you? If you were referring to the BV obviously you're mistaken. If you were referring to wherever you live, then it may be the case. |
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Martian, have you tried open office? You can open MS xls, doc, etc. using the free software. I used to have it a couple of computers back, in one of my many personal MS protests...but I think I've gotten lazy lately. Here is the site, take a look.
http://why.openoffice.org/
Back to the current topic.
Just because Palestinians don't get aid money from the US doesn't mean they're not an oppressed people. It doesn't mean they don't deserve "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as the God of Nature intended for all humans. All it means is that our current system is completely corrupt.
Arming theives and state terrorists is absolutely worse than supplying food and necessary medical care. Or even better, preventing an invading army from stealing farming land, as they have been doing since at least 1967. Why is our government on the side of theives, terrorists, murderers and liars?
Let the natives of Palestine continue the same lifestyle they've lived for years without outer nations tipping the scale in any direction. After all, the early zionists believed that Palestinians were the true decendants of the Biblical Hebrews. |
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Weeeeeelllllll, Nesaie, this totally sucks. YES, I have OpenOffice, it's been a few months since I launched it and I totally, completely forgot it could open Excel docs. 
Thanks, now I can go see what was 'hidden' from me. I owe you one!
Here it is: 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: US Foreign Aid |
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...and some of the real numbers, thanks Nesaie, figures are per capita in US dollars current for the years 2006-1950:
Israel 49.16 71.66 84.36 92.27 115.13 136.31 155.99 181.47 206.26 220.06 225.91 223.77 230.77 239.28 249.48 397.05 264.71 272.92 278.74 283.55 455.57 475.32 225.43 197.69 206.47 199.22 208.81 214.12 219.18 210.12 22.81 207.28 105.14 15.77 34.65 33.91 18.72 14.18 12.99 18.77 2.26 13.97 19.04 14.92 26.55 30.84 21.86 26.11 24.51 31.15 21.58 27.84 30.15 44.89 46.83 58.72 0.07
and for comparison, another nation, 2006-1951:
Jordan 60.18 65.84 77.26 195.06 45.25 38.21 55.37 45.85 18.91 33.97 7.39 3.21 11.6 23.51 8.05 20.55 13.85 5.17 7.92 38.43 34.02 36.95 7.67 8.05 6.41 4.56 32.68 46.74 49.13 40.95 43.54 31.12 51.27 34.24 38.84 33.51 9.86 2.4 7.61 13.44 35.02 38.21 38.68 47.52 56.54 47.8 72.89 58.14 74.17 46.45 29.26 11.45 13.37 20.5 4.85 9.02 0.19
and one more, 2006-1988...
West Bank/Gaza 36.44 94.42 38.68 54.86 56.46 45.45 38.74 26.33 20.85 23.91 23.59 31.22 23.27 12.95 3.19 1.01 1.04 1.02 0.83
This last one explains why I didn't see Palestine on the list. No bull, no manipulation, if you don't believe me download the file yourselves.
Here's the rest of the Middle East we give aid, count from 2006:
Saudi Arabia 0.07 0.06 0.01 0.01
Turkey 0.07 0.22 0.14 0.11 2.94 0.06 0.02 0.09 0.16 0.36 0.54 2.66 0.01 3.32 0.02 4.29 0.26 1.07 0.59 1.9 2.25 3.37 2.74 5.74 6.19 4.24 4.28 1.54 0.03 0 0.11 0.14 0.58 1.75 2.23 2.49 2.59 2.49 4.46 4.89 6.03 5.94 5.43 6.59 8.02 4.24 6.06 4.2 3.8 4.81 4.22 3.29 2.52 3.07 2.26 3.35
Iran 0.05 0.02 0.15 0.02
Syria 0.14 0.02
Kuwait 0.25 0.37 0.06 0.06 0.04 0.15 0.07
Oman 1.45 1.76 0.17 0.06 0.26 0.17 0.53 0.11 0.03 15.12 8.09 6.81 8.43 7.57 9.05 12.28 13.09 10.28 10.85 11.71 0.59 4.68 0.44 0.32 0.36 0.1 0.42 0.33 0.23
Yemen 1.67 0.79 2.87 1.98 0.18 2.18 3.17 2.47 3.6 0.54 0.11 0.53 0.26 1.42 0.53 0.65 3.61 3.05 3.03 4.25 3.47 4.09 3.27 3.17 2.9 2.43 1.63 2.28 1.01 2.32 0.38 1.03 0.99 0.82 0.5 0.02 0.37 0.05 0 0.35 0.47 0.83 1.02 1.1 1.28 0.99 1.07 1
United Arab Emirates 2.41 0.71 0.07 0.05 0.21 0.1
Lebanon 39.92 7.51 10.14 19.04 4.39 15.31 10.11 4.88 4.72 3.38 0.34 4.28 0.58 5.75 9.01 6.86 6.93 5.56 4.36 8.18 6.15 7.29 10.16 18.85 4.07 1.47 0.19 1.25 12.2 10.98 0.04 1.08 2.16 0.46 6.8 0.12 3.51 0.68 0.13 0.8 0.05 0.23 0.05 0.1 0.35 1.95 2.38 11.25 14.2 7.16 4.63 4.84 6.64 1.97 1.28 0.07
Iraq 149.7 217.92 273.53 139.26 1.46 0.01 0 0 0 0.35 0.33 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.47
This list constitutes the entire Middle East, save for Afghanistan and Pakistan. As I have tried to indicate in previous posts, we give money to almost everyone. There's over 150 nations on the list. We've bought almost as many AK-47s (and -74s) as we have M-16s, and more T-62s than M-60s (Russian tanks are cheap).
Last one... Palau received about $1306 per capita (the highest) for a total of just over a quarter million bucks. |
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wow.......CG? Naei naei? What have you two to say about this...this....disgrace!?!?!?
I SAY IT'S ABOUT TIME WE BAIL OURSELVES O-U-T!!!!....oh deary ..heckdern...u-h-h..maybe..m-m-m.........gee whiz..........real pretty sh^t.... |
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wow.......CG? Naei naei? What have you two to say about this...this....disgrace!?!?!?
I SAY IT'S ABOUT TIME WE BAIL OURSELVES O-U-T!!!!....oh deary ..heckdern...u-h-h..maybe..m-m-m.........gee whiz..........real pretty sh^t.... |
Why you asking me SZ, I haven't supported 98% of the Bullshit the governments done since Carter gave back the Panama Canal. These elitest bastards run our country like it was thier personal whore house. |
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Where is Egypt in that list? Last I looked, and it has been a while, they were second in the amount of aid, after Israel.
Regardless, the issue is the genocide that is happening today to the Palestinians. The US should stay out completely. It isn't our fight.
In the mean time, we're funding the oppressors, not the oppressed.  |
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Where is Egypt in that list? Last I looked, and it has been a while, they were second in the amount of aid, after Israel.
Regardless, the issue is the genocide that is happening today to the Palestinians. The US should stay out completely. It isn't our fight.
In the mean time, we're funding the oppressors, not the oppressed. |
We're funding the WINNERS. Big difference. They are both oppressive in nature. |
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| And both are composed largely of civilians, not militants. You are funding the militants that are winning. Yes, congratulations. |
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wow.......CG? Naei naei? What have you two to say about this...this....disgrace!?!?!?
I SAY IT'S ABOUT TIME WE BAIL OURSELVES O-U-T!!!!....oh deary ..heckdern...u-h-h..maybe..m-m-m.........gee whiz..........real pretty sh^t.... |
Why you asking me SZ, I haven't supported 98% of the Bullshit the governments done since Carter gave back the Panama Canal. These elitest bastards run our country like it was thier personal whore house. |
Wow American generosity is out...wow..evil even. great. Is there not a damn thing about this country in your eyes that's right or hopeful CG? Why in the Hell do your stay here? |
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wow.......CG? Naei naei? What have you two to say about this...this....disgrace!?!?!?
I SAY IT'S ABOUT TIME WE BAIL OURSELVES O-U-T!!!!....oh deary ..heckdern...u-h-h..maybe..m-m-m.........gee whiz..........real pretty sh^t.... |
Why you asking me SZ, I haven't supported 98% of the Bullshit the governments done since Carter gave back the Panama Canal. These elitest bastards run our country like it was thier personal whore house. |
Wow American generosity is out...wow..evil even. great. Is there not a damn thing about this country in your eyes that's right or hopeful CG? Why in the Hell do your stay here? |
I stay here cause it's my freaking home  No what I see is a bunch of things that use to be right about this country that have been changed, and not for the better. Screw American generosity, charity begins at home. When I see the homeless off the street and put back to work, and veterans provided for as they should be. Then we can look at helping other countries. Besides I can't count how many times I saw US relief rice and beans for sale in blackmarkets overseas. Most of what we send ends up in the hands of thier thieving bastard elites, not in the mouths of the starving masses. |
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