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| Perhaps the entire universe could be likened to a "godlike a.i." that spontaneously self-actuates because its "source" is indestructible consciousness. It "is", pure awareness. So what would an infinite consciousness have to be aware of, but itself? |
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| To accumulate more mass and control it?? (It's all about control, order from disorder.) |
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If the universe is such, being a "conscious mind", then all "action" it takes would pretty much be symbolic, wouldn't it?
Its thoughts would be "things", and it would be those things, as well.
Manipulating itself -its "thoughts"- would be a symbolic and necessary act, allowing it to organize and "substantiate" as it sees fit.
Of course, there would still be no "real" distinction between the parts (things, thoughts) and the whole (mind, consciousness)...
Hence the "blurring" of identity, the confusion of observer & observed, and the uncertainty of the "reality" of existence in & of itself. |
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Symbolic representations of conscious awareness. |
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Like a language, maybe?
A "code" that is self-aware and self-manipulates?
In the beginning was the word...  |
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So, basically you are saying is that we aren't so much experiencing reality as we are experiencing how we experience?
How redundant. 
And you are saying that perceptual truth is contextual, but beyond perceptual truth -and containing it- is a larger truth of "nothing".
How nihilistic.
So, how do "mechanisms of differentiation" develop from a "state" of "no speed", "no color", and so on?
Oh, and maybe I missed it but you never really answered, did you?
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"mechanisms of differentiation" develop through the appearence of organs of sensory input.....clearly "God" (a.k.a. the universe or all that is) only knows the purest form of truth....energy, and activity in relation to energy....but to a created physical being, who incidentally (as compared to "god") is individually placed and situated in reality, bound by time and space and location and fixed (more or less) in one mode of existence, limited by the input received from the sensory organ, there needs to be a "difference" between one thing and another (to the perception).....it wouldnt, for example, benefit us if, let's say, blood and water "looked" exactly the same....blood is red, because red is a shorter wavelength, or rather, blood indicates injury or "emergency", or to the mind "take careful notice immediately" "danger will robinson!", whatever the case may be....so the blood must be red to elicit the proper psychological connection....i don't think blue blood would affect us quite the same way as red blood does....so it is red.....
it would be of very little sense to not be able to tell the difference between the taste of, say, arsenic, and apple juice......the "taste" being the illusion though, which our mind creates or manifests to preserve our body (which is the ultimate goal of the animal-flesh-being part of us).....
The universe, though, has no need for such things and merely "flows" or operates...it is the body manifesting it's own system that causes things such as "color, speed, sound" to exist...to the universe these concepts are nothing...it just "does"...and we are charged with reacting to what it "does".
When I slam my finger in the drawer, it is not that pain is a real thing...of course tell that to my finger, right?....the point though is that pain is the manifestation that only exists in the mind, and first starts in the mind obviously, THEN travels to the finger.....
so the "fundamental" truth would be that there is only energies of varying vibrations....all is light, all things, matter included (as edgar cayce states), ALL derive from differeing vibrations of "light" (in the abstract, not visible light, which is another illusion of the eye)....all moving downward in vibration, ending with physical matter. |
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If you slammed your finger in a drawer, and your body didn't "observe" it, would it still hurt??
(Hey, I wrote a koan...) |
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| Questioner101 wrote: |
If you slammed your finger in a drawer, and your body didn't "observe" it, would it still hurt??
(Hey, I wrote a koan...) |
Pain is a subjective experience, isn't it? |
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Interesting, fort... but-
If you're saying blood is red because red symbolizes "danger" or "panic" to the mind, like hitting an alarm...
No, I think you've got that one backwards, bud.  |
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| Personanongrata wrote: |
Interesting, fort... but-
If you're saying blood is red because red symbolizes "danger" or "panic" to the mind, like hitting an alarm...
No, I think you've got that one backwards, bud. |
by backwards do you mean, we "associate" red with danger therefore we associate the red blood with a heightened state of panic or caution?
I dunno about that really...personally i find it to be no coincidence that blood is red...in fact i would venture to say that the redness of blood is what initally inspired signmakers or whoever it may be to produce "warning" warnings in the color red. |
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| There's always the "mentrual" question. |
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| Personanongrata wrote: |
Interesting, fort... but-
If you're saying blood is red because red symbolizes "danger" or "panic" to the mind, like hitting an alarm...
No, I think you've got that one backwards, bud. |
Well, it isn't that blood is red BECAUSE red symbolizes danger, but that blood symbolizes danger and the red wavelength is the quickest way to alert the eyes to the blood being present...so not exactly what you are saying. |
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| Personanongrata wrote: |
Interesting, fort... but-
If you're saying blood is red because red symbolizes "danger" or "panic" to the mind, like hitting an alarm...
No, I think you've got that one backwards, bud. |
Well, it isn't that blood is red BECAUSE red symbolizes danger, but that blood symbolizes danger and the red wavelength is the quickest way to alert the eyes to the blood being present...so not exactly what you are saying. |
I see. Have you ever read a book called "Brother Termite"...don't recall the author, a woman I believe.
It's an interesting take on the "Grey" alien. In the story, they use the color yellow as a warning because they associated it with flying predators that they feared. |
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| There's always the "mentrual" question. |
The blood is the life.  |
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| If a system does not preserve truth, can it really be considered sane? |
Sanity, that's an interesting concept. What is sanity? Sane? If one could glimpse in a moment all the wavelengths of light that exist, one might believe it "insane" to see the world in such a way for a brief moment...it would look quite alien....yet is actually still perfectly sane, and always was there if only it could be seen.
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| Does reality preserve truth, or is truth only incidental to continually fluxing circumstance? |
I would say that truth preserves reality, or rather that reality is the daughter of truth, insomuch as the definable 'laws' of the universe are concerned and the framework that material nature behaves in, in response to those "laws".
Water, Ice, Steam...all exactly the same things in essence, but not the same in terms of the observable....Sane, is that it is all three at the same time, insane (to the human mind) would be to possess the ability to see all three phases at the same time in one substance. |
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