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Aquatank
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 Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Disc. Ch. Doc. Nazi UFOs aired 11-03-08 |
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I'm a bit disappointed in this documentary. Too much pics of Haunebu I, II, and Graf Haunebu. Even pics of Andromeda Haunebu carrier. All of which are ripoffs of the Adamski's Venusian Scout hoax.
The Arnold sighting and the Horton Ho.IX always made sense, no new news there. Too bad most of the pics were of the Horton gliders, and they really did not get into Northrop designs happened at the same time as the Horton's.
Once again the mistake is made of placing the Silverbug leak in 1995 instead of the 1950s Mans Life leak.
Most of all I'm dissapointed in the skipping of the Sack AS6 and many other more likely designs.
But the Bell is interesting. But I think there are two explanations for two different Bells. The Nazi one if used at "the henge" may have been levitation but not anti-gravity so much as a diamagnetic levitation via a super conductor effect.
The Kecksburg PA Bell is more interesting in 1965 because it could very well be a test vehicle for a Mercury or Gemini capsule that went off course.
That's my opinions on this recent documentary. |
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| Damn, I missed it. I watch The History Channel, can't rememeber the last time I watched Discovery. |
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The Bell and Kemler's role in the secret weapons and disappearence after the war as well as the near lack of attention on him at the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials is actually the bulk of stuff of interest in that one. Alot skirted around and looked at the Avro-Car with out touching on the Avro Omega (now known to be the Avro VTO mockup).
Viktor Schauberger's model of the Repulsine struck me as a biefield brown effect device that ionizes air to crweate thrust after seeing the only known model of it.
But they virtually skipped over almost everything but a single mention of Prague-Kbely airbase and the work going on there with autogyros.
I realize these documentaries are on a shoestring budget and researching missing Nazi recors is a pian in the patoose, but putting forward some mythbuster type experiments with RC models and windtunnels etc. could have helped the documentary quite a bit |
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Or you could bypass the bull and build your own. In German (literal), a flying saucer would be a 'fluguntertasse'...
I'm sticking to hovercraft for now, working on my second prototype. Single fans create torque effects that are driving me batty, I don't want to add a' tail rotor' and can't rig contra-props. The first full-size personal hovercraft from my shop will probably be a two-fan model with steering accomplished by shifting the C/G. I'm considering augmenting stopping ability with aerobraking, otherwise I'll have to incorporate the same trick the Aussies used, an 'anchor' hidden under the deck: when you lean back, it digs into the ground. Cheaters! Next, they'll put stabilizer fins on sailboat keels!
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Damn sweds donīt show any UFO documentaries these days.
2002 was the last time they showed anything that is about UFOīs,I might go demand them to show some new ones!  |
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The Discovery Channel and History Channel websites both have online videos of such shows. Go forth and be sated, Saturos.
Note on the above post by me: I'm just tired of waiting for the Moller SkyCar. Power-to-weight ratios aren't as insurmountable a problem for ACVs as they are for 'flying cars'.
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| The Discovery Channel and History Channel websites both have online videos of such shows. Go forth and be sated, Saturos. |
I`ll give it a try, although watching stuff on the internet isnīt that interesting as sitting on a nice couch drinking some fresh soda or something |
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An update on HC.2: It's already flown 3 times during testing, using an old Fantom 27-turn Stock 540-series brushed motor, 2 homemade 3.6V NiCd batteries to get 7.2V, a hand carved 5-7/8 x 3 prop (this was the first of two, a right-hand pusher, I had to run the motor in reverse and it kept spinning it off the mount, second is left-hand pusher and motor is wired normally), Novak ESC and Airtronics 2-channel AM set from my old Team Losi XXT. Balance was acceptable but torque is a real bear. I think it hit about 45 RPM before it slung the batteries off (I haven't built trays or boxes for them).
Mahogany ply deck, card stock thrust ring, basswood ribs underneath, used bicycle inner tube skirt. I'm going to give contraprops a try. I've built a transmission and coaxial shaft setup, crude but should work. All recycled parts including the transmission for the contraprops, which uses gears cannibalized from a dead cordless drill, bearings and shafts from R/C trucks, and scrap aluminum from an old TV antenna. Motor's changed, using a Caliber Speedworks 19-turn Spec brushed motor to get a few more rev's (hopefully). If the transmission works long enough to add thrust ports at the rear and a rudder, I'll post video of it. That way at least ONE 'flying saucer' you get to see will be real, if not alien.
Lubrication should be interesting, the relative speed of the inner and outer shafts will be about 15-20K RPM during 'flight', and it's got sleeve bearings...I didn't have any 1/8" ball bearings. I wonder if the J-B Weld will hold up...or if the entire trans will go Whee! |
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| martiandrifter01 wrote: |
An update on HC.2: It's already flown 3 times during testing, using an old Fantom 27-turn Stock 540-series brushed motor, 2 homemade 3.6V NiCd batteries to get 7.2V, a hand carved 5-7/8 x 3 prop (this was the first of two, a right-hand pusher, I had to run the motor in reverse and it kept spinning it off the mount, second is left-hand pusher and motor is wired normally), Novak ESC and Airtronics 2-channel AM set from my old Team Losi XXT. Balance was acceptable but torque is a real bear. I think it hit about 45 RPM before it slung the batteries off (I haven't built trays or boxes for them).
Mahogany ply deck, card stock thrust ring, basswood ribs underneath, used bicycle inner tube skirt. I'm going to give contraprops a try. I've built a transmission and coaxial shaft setup, crude but should work. All recycled parts including the transmission for the contraprops, which uses gears cannibalized from a dead cordless drill, bearings and shafts from R/C trucks, and scrap aluminum from an old TV antenna. Motor's changed, using a Caliber Speedworks 19-turn Spec brushed motor to get a few more rev's (hopefully). If the transmission works long enough to add thrust ports at the rear and a rudder, I'll post video of it. That way at least ONE 'flying saucer' you get to see will be real, if not alien.
Lubrication should be interesting, the relative speed of the inner and outer shafts will be about 15-20K RPM during 'flight', and it's got sleeve bearings...I didn't have any 1/8" ball bearings. I wonder if the J-B Weld will hold up...or if the entire trans will go Whee! |
i think your in the wrong forum with this
try the website hovercrafts.com |
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Thmarty-panth.  You'll get another UFO tale soon enough. |
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Have you triemaking an R/C BMW Flügelard/Schriever Disc?
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/BMW%20Flugelrad.htm
I experimented very lightly (a propeller disc toy with more blades attached to the disc) with the concept and found the disc to be a bit heavy due to the large number of blades. But with a jet engine and a gyro effect I think it still might flown, but not nearly to the predicted results, Still if it did better than a SPAD I'd be surprised. |
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Interesting website, Aquatank. Um, no, I wasn't aware of these versions at all. 
Not so sure the BMW jobs would work, the old cartoons where you see a character powering a sailboat with an electric fan come to mind, but I did appreciate the cover for Mr. Arndt's book. Very graceful and elegant fuselage on that model. 
I might try one of these variations in the future; right now I'm operating on an ethereal budget with only recyclable materials to build from. FWIW, Mr. Arndt seems to be operating under one misconception, believing there's a major difference between airscrews and turbines. The turbine is essentially a many-bladed airscrew operating inside an enclosure. I felt it would be more expedient to make airscrews than try to obtain small turbines (I don't have the machining capabilities to build them). |
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I don't have any experience building & flying R/C but the autogyro has been working for ages now. If I remember right auto gyro rotors should be at 2 degrees. If Miranda is right the trick with the BMW is vectored thrust on the verticle axis (and later variations along the horizontal as well.). If the blades were fixed on a model It'd be some what simple for that part of the experiment, but Its those adjustable ones that I don't understand the gearing of.
I've been aware of the BMW versions since before coming to BV, but they've been known about since the 1950s when they were in a newspaper Rudolph Schriever's designs. They are the most plausible Nazi UFO sesign right after the Arthur Sack AS-6 (a sort of circle winged piper cub like design similar to the USA's Flying Flapjack) http://www.luft46.com/misc/sackas6.html |
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Kudos to one of my all-time favorite aces, Ernst Udet, for being bright enough to reject that one, Aquatank. In plan-form it looks rather like a Messerschmitt Bf. 108 nose, cockpit and tail stuck on the radome of a Boeing E-3 AWACS.
I could easily do an autogyro, there were several real ones that wouldn't be difficult to model; 1 channel for throttle and the other for rudder would provide basic control, with a pendulum to control the elevator.
Pendulum controls were commonplace for free-flight craft years ago, usually rigged to ailerons and elevator to maintain level flight after initial climb. It's a simple mechanism, a weighted pendulum in a gimbal with pushrods and bellcranks. Before the invention of the 'dethermalizer', a lot of free-flight models were never seen again... |
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| Well it certainly wasn't the first circular wing aircraft. That was built in the USA early on and it was a biplane with doughtnut wings. But you get the picture of what the nazis were up to. One of the other designs according to Miranda is the the Zeppelin company's Flakmines, basically the these are are helicopter loaded with explosives with rotors driven by ramjets on the tips. http://www.luft46models.com/manufacturers/ram/rzeflak.shtml this design was also in a 1975 issue (May-June?). |
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