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| You don't make demands of God. Plus if you support what that is saying then how do you explain the creation of the universe? Nothing creates itself. I could put up a similar set with a sign that says, "Atheists claim that there is no God. The universe created itself. Here is an empty cage. We invite the universe to create something here in this cage." See the problem? |
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More like, everything is uncreated. |
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What are ya gonna do about the piece of G-d that is inside the cage? |
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What are ya gonna do about the piece of G-d that is inside the cage? |
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| Crime rates increase and decrease mostly with the age of the population. There is no correlation between crime and teaching evolution. In general, the US was more violent between the years 1870-1910 before evolution was taught. Also, there is a negative correlation between crime and teaching evolution regionally. Countries that teach evolution to a greater extent than the US have a lower crime rate. Correlation and causation are not one and the same. In the US, most people don't believe in evolution. If a societies social wrong doings follow from belief about origins, creationists deserve more of the responsibility. |
One has nothing to do with the other. Just because A happened then B happened does not mean that A caused B. You need to take a course in basic logic, as do most of the religion bashers here. See, the so-called "logical" people don't even know their own philosophy. They don't even know that it is a philosophy.
Case in point: If you are a 1 dimensional creature, can you perceive anything from the 2nd or 3rd dimensions? No.
If you are a 2 dimensional creature, can you perceive anything from the 3rd dimension? No.
If you are a 3 dimensional creature, can you perceive anything from any higher dimension? No.
This suggests that one of the most basic principles of science could indeed be wrong. And that is that what our senses tell us is completely correct, and all there is.
Oh, and you didn't bother to mention the level violence in the world before Christianity took over. You left that little part out. |
As I've said before, many pages back in this thread, science and evolutionary theory do not disprove the supernatural God of Judeo-Christianity. Evolution does, of course, undermine some of the important arguments that have been put forward for the existence of God.
I don't need a lecture on philosophy or science from someone like you whose basic comprehension level is that of a two year old. Evolution is a science, creationism is not. I've already stated that correlation and causation are NOT one and the same.
You are the one attempting to correlate teaching evolution with history's most brutal dictators. You are the one attempting to correlate evolution with atheism. There are those that hold religious beliefs and still believe in evolution. The Pope is one example. Your case in point about dimensions is laughable. We live in a three dimensional universe. By using Einstein's general theory of relativity, we can see our three dimensional universe expanding in four dimensions. Try using your head for something other than a hat rack once in a while. |
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| I don't need a lecture on philosophy or science from someone like you whose basic comprehension level is that of a two year old. Evolution is a science, creationism is not. I've already stated that correlation and causation are NOT one and the same. |
Science is a philosophy and if you had a comprehension level > a 2 yr old you would know that. Nobody is claiming creationism is a science so what r u talking about? And you failed to answer my points which r very good points. Instead you simply attack me because you can't argue with the points I put forward.
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| You are the one attempting to correlate teaching evolution with history's most brutal dictators. You are the one attempting to correlate evolution with atheism. There are those that hold religious beliefs and still believe in evolution. The Pope is one example. |
Those who put forth the evolution claims and push for the removal of religion from school curriculum are indeed atheists. How exactly did I correlate teaching evolution with brutal dictators???
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| Your case in point about dimensions is laughable. We live in a three dimensional universe. By using Einstein's general theory of relativity, we can see our three dimensional universe expanding in four dimensions. |
Wrong! We live in 3 spacial dimensions. The 4th dimension Einstein talked about was time. Ever heard of "space-time"? Have you even read relativity? So my question remains unanswered. You cannot experience in any way a higher dimension than your own. Its physically impossible.
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| Try using your head for something other than a hat rack once in a while. |
Typical. You can't argue against my ideas so you just resort to name calling and bashing me. This does not add credibility to your opinion. |
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| Crime rates increase and decrease mostly with the age of the population. There is no correlation between crime and teaching evolution. |
OK, did someone claim that teaching evolution had anything to do with crime rates? I know I didn't.
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| In general, the US was more violent between the years 1870-1910 before evolution was taught. Also, there is a negative correlation between crime and teaching evolution regionally. |
The second sentence makes the first one pointless unless you are saying that there is a correlation between teaching evolution and crime rates ("violence"). And this obliterates your first point. Besides, the whole world was more violent in the past than in the present, so WTF are you trying to say?
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| Countries that teach evolution to a greater extent than the US have a lower crime rate. |
Again, the correlation. I would like to see this backed up with facts. Are these other countries modern or impoverished? Do they have a diverse population? Do they have freedom? I choose higher violence along with freedom rather than oppression and low violence.
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| Correlation and causation are not one and the same. |
Agreed, but then what is the point you r trying to make?
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| In the US, most people don't believe in evolution. |
Says who? BTW, if Charles Darwin were here to today he would say the same thing as me about his theory of evolution. Some parts of it were correct and some parts were not. The very things Darwin said we would have to find in the fossil record for his theory to be proven correct, have not been found, even after a century of looking. Have you read Darwin's theory?
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| If a societies social wrong doings follow from belief about origins, creationists deserve more of the responsibility. |
That's false logic, again. More responsibility than what? Are you saying that just because creationism preceeded evolution that creationism is responsible for "societies social wrong doings" ?? That's ludicrous. Yes, you do need a lecture in logic. |
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Yeah I agree. We should get rid of all that "brother's keeper" crap that Obama won't shut up about. Get rid of that "Thou shalt, thou shalt not" crap too. F the world, murder at will. What a great world that will be.
You can murder as many people as you like, just call it "peace" and do it for "free". That'll get every left wing whack job on your side. You can go Hitler style or Stalin style. Throw in a little Mao, Pol Pot, Napolean or Musolini and you're all set. |
This is your reply to the previous post about creationism being or not being taught along side evolution in a science class. Your rant implies do away with the ten commandments, murder at will and F the world. Then you use the names of brutal dictators as a style in which to carry out your F the world rant. You are implying here that if creationism isn't taught in science class with evolution, or, simply believing in evolution rather than creationism, the entire world will carry out your ridiculous rant. I'll say this one last time. Believing in evolution will not CAUSE the entire world to say F it and murder at will. In case you forgot, MURDER is a crime and will still be a crime even if the entire world believes in evolution over creationism. And I'll say this one last time. “If” a societies social wrong doings follow from belief about origins(creation or evolution), creationists deserve more of the responsibility. Why? Because people have believed in creation for thousands of years. Fortunately, societies social wrong doings DO NOT follow from belief about the origin of life as you would have it do so. Now take your hat off and try to comprehend my position on this matter. Or, you can keep using your head for a hat rack instead. I've clearly stated my position on this matter, I'll say no more. |
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Moments ago, the Texas Freedom Network posted to its Web site a study conducted by Dr. Raymond Eve, a professor of sociology and anthropology at the University of Texas at Arlington, titled Evolution, Creationism & Public Schools: Surveying What Texas Scientists Think about Educating Our Kids in the 21st Century. It reveals the results of a survey sent to biology and "biological anthropology" faculty members from "all 35 public universities plus the 15 largest private institutions in Texas," in which they were asked to take the following taste test: evolution or intelligent design? As Eve writes in the introduction, the reason for the survey was simple:
"In the spring of 2009, the Texas State Board of Education will vote to adopt new curriculum standards for the teaching of science in grades K – 12 in Texas public schools. (These guidelines are formally known as the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, or TEKS.) Many observers, both within Texas and around the country, anticipate a vigorous push by certain interest groups to make the debate over the Texas science curriculum the latest front in the running battle over evolution."
So Eve, and the TFN, wanted to see where educators stood on the issue. Oof the 1,019 faculty members to whom the surveys were sent, 464 responded -- and fewer than 1 percent checked off the box marked, “Modern evolutionary biology is mostly wrong. Life arose through multiple creation events by an intelligent designer, although evolution by natural selection played a limited role.” In other words: Do the evolution. |
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Hi,
Why does their have to be a battle between evolution and creation? I believe that evolution is creation. Creation did not happen just once, it happens on a continual basis, and evolution keeps on happening. What we see as evolution is only a small part of creation. The part we are able to see with our limited minds.
All movement and change is creation. From the very small movements of electrons circleing the nuculus of a atom, to the giant movements of the galaxies and beyond.
But I firmly believe that Church and State must remain seperate. That is why I think its wrong to bring religious matters into the public schools. There is a place for learning about religion and a place for learning the practical matters of life. I don't want the goverment dictating what our children should believe, as far as spiritual matters, that should remain a private matter between parents and their children, or an individual with their own thoughts.
Until science has caught up with the metaphysical aspects of life and can prove in the labatory spiritual truths, then religion and science must remain separate. String theory and quantum mechanics are coming close, but science deals with the facts of the physical universe, religion with the unseen forces behind the facts. It dosen't make sense to put the two together at this time.
Science may never prove there is a God, but religious people should be smart enough to believe in evolution. Facts are facts. You can believe in both a God who creates on a continual basis and evolution which reflects that change.
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This is your reply to the previous post about creationism being or not being taught along side evolution in a science class. Your rant implies do away with the ten commandments, murder at will and F the world. Then you use the names of brutal dictators as a style in which to carry out your F the world rant. You are implying here that if creationism isn't taught in science class with evolution, or, simply believing in evolution rather than creationism, the entire world will carry out your ridiculous rant. I'll say this one last time. Believing in evolution will not CAUSE the entire world to say F it and murder at will. In case you forgot, MURDER is a crime and will still be a crime even if the entire world believes in evolution over creationism. And I'll say this one last time. “If” a societies social wrong doings follow from belief about origins(creation or evolution), creationists deserve more of the responsibility. Why? Because people have believed in creation for thousands of years. Fortunately, societies social wrong doings DO NOT follow from belief about the origin of life as you would have it do so. Now take your hat off and try to comprehend my position on this matter. Or, you can keep using your head for a hat rack instead. I've clearly stated my position on this matter, I'll say no more. |
Buddy, I've been around this block too many times and I know the real issue here has little to do with teaching evolution along with religion, beside it, above it, below it, or in the building down the street. The real goal of the people putting forth this idiotic idea is to get rid of religion entirely and this is just the next step in that process. Add a hundred baby steps together and you get a giant leap. And before you even try to deny it, these freaks are on record about 1000 times saying pretty much what I just said. They make it real clear that they hate religion and want it gone from our civilization entirely.
These morons have invaded city politics throughout the United States. They are right here in my city, they are in the states all around mine, they are in almost every state government and in the federal government. And these same geniuses of grand logic and wisdom are the same ones that think angel food cake and devils food cake are racist! ROTFLMAO
Consider a pamphlet you received in the mail and its from a political candidate. It says 99 things that make perfect sense to you. Then the 100th item is "We need to get back to owning black slaves in America." THAT is the kind of freakazoid you are dealing with in the anti-religion crowd.
Just because they say 99 things that sound right... you better look at that 100th item on their list. What if the KKK put out a list of things they support and everything on it was something you liked? |
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Bush talks of belief in God, evolution
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President George W. Bush said his belief that God created the world is not incompatible with scientific proof of evolution.
In an interview with ABC's "Nightline" on Monday, the president also said he probably is not a literalist when reading the Bible although an individual can learn a great deal from it, including the New Testament teaching that God sent his only son.
Asked about creation and evolution, Bush said, "I think you can have both. I think evolution can — you're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president. But it's, I think that God created the earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution."
Interviewer Cynthia McFadden asked Bush if the Bible was literally true.
"You know. Probably not ... No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament for example is ... has got ... You know, the important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" Bush said.
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