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Nesaie
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/20/sbm.overview/index.html
The world's most heinous crime
Story Highlights
December marks the 60th anniversary of the U.N.'s Genocide Convention
A few strong voices have since tried to focus the world's attention on genocide
Each time they were shunned, ignored or told it was someone else's problem
CNN's Christiane Amanpour traveled to the world's killing fields to understand why
(CNN) -- They share a deep sorrow: an idealistic American who tried to protect the Kurds of Iraq, a Canadian general who refused to follow orders in Rwanda, a French priest who fought for the soul of Cambodia.
Each one tried to focus the world's attention on the world's most heinous crime: genocide. Each time, they were shunned, ignored or told it was someone else's problem.
To understand why, CNN's Christiane Amanpour traveled to the killing fields of Europe, Africa and Asia for a two-hour documentary, "Scream Bloody Murder."
Having reported on mass atrocities around the world, this time Amanpour traced the personal accounts of those who tried to stop the slaughter.
The yearlong CNN investigation found that instead of using a U.N. treaty outlawing genocide as a springboard to action, political leaders have invoked reason after reason to make intervention seem unnecessary, pointless and even counter-productive. Map: See the locations featured in the documentary »
December marks the 60th anniversary of the U.N.'s Genocide Convention, when -- in the aftermath of the Holocaust -- the nations of the world pledged to prevent and punish future attempts to eliminate ethnic, religious and national groups. Read the 1948 Genocide Convention (pdf)
"The Genocide Convention should have stopped genocide, but it didn't," said Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel. Intervention is a daunting challenge, he believes, because of a tendency to minimize accounts from refugees and victims. "It's better not to believe, because if you believe, you don't sleep nights. And how can you eat? How can you drink a glass of wine when you know?" See images from locations in the documentary »
1970s: Cambodia
Father François Ponchaud was a Catholic missionary in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge guerillas -- communist revolutionaries -- seized power in 1975. They expelled all foreigners from the country.
But working from France, Ponchaud gathered refugee accounts and monitored radio broadcasts to document the slave labor, torture and executions the Khmer Rouge were using to kill one-fourth of Cambodia's population.
He published his findings in a major French newspaper and wrote a book, "Year Zero." But even so, Ponchaud tells Amanpour, "No one believed us." Watch a behind-the-scenes look at the making of 'Scream Bloody Murder' »
1980s: Iraq
CNN found that intervention is often weighed against political and economic costs.
Declassified U.S. government documents show that while Saddam Hussein was gassing Iraqi Kurds, the U.S. opposed punishing Iraq with a trade embargo because it was cultivating Iraq as an ally against Iran and as a market for U.S. farm exports.
According to Peter Galbraith, then an idealistic Senate staffer determined to stop Hussein from committing genocide, the Reagan administration "got carried away with their own propaganda. They began to believe that Saddam Hussein could be a reliable partner." Read once-secret U.S. documents
1990s: Bosnia
Even extensive news coverage may not lead to intervention.
During the violent breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, the media reported on the Bosnian Serbs' ethnic cleansing of Muslims: the siege of Sarajevo, the concentration camps, the use of rape as a weapon of war.
It was like watching "a color remake of the black-and-white scenes we'd seen in World War II," said U.S. diplomat Richard Holbrooke, whose Jewish grandfather fled Germany when Adolf Hitler came to power.
Holbrooke was an early advocate for a U.S.-led military operation against the Bosnian Serbs.
"I took a stand that I believed was correct," he told Amanpour. "I didn't think it was so controversial."
But it would take three years -- and the massacre of 8,000 Muslim men and boys in the town of Srebrenica -- for Holbrooke to make his case within the Clinton administration.
1994: Rwanda
In Rwanda, where Hutu soldiers and militias massacred their Tutsi countrymen, the Clinton administration tried to avoid characterizing the ethnic slaughter as genocide.
According to an internal memo, the State Department worried that under the 1948 Genocide Convention, using the term "genocide" could force the U.S. "to actually 'do something.'"
The head of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Rwanda, Canadian Lt. Gen. Romeo Dallaire, begged for additional troops. Instead of reinforcements, Dallaire got an order to withdraw completely. He would not leave Rwanda.
"I refused a legal order," he told Amanpour, "but it was immoral." His tiny U.N. force was not enough to stop the slaughter of more than 800,000 people.
2003: Darfur
Some human rights advocates consider Darfur, the western region of Sudan, to be the scene of the first genocide of the 21st century.
The atrocities in Darfur grow out of a civil war between rebels from Sudan's African tribes and the country's Arab-led government.
In 2003, when the rebels attacked government outposts in Darfur, a U.N. human rights monitor warned that in the "escalating conflict," Sudan's government may be "engaged in ... ethnic cleansing aimed at eliminating African tribes from Darfur."
At the time, world attention was on Iraq, where the United States was fighting to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The early warning on Darfur "disappeared into a big hole," according to Mukesh Kapila, then the U.N.'s top official in Sudan.
Even when the U.N. Security Council put Darfur on its agenda, it took more than three years to authorize a robust peacekeeping force.
"There was no lack of information," says activist Eric Reeves. "There was a lack of will to stop genocide."
In July, the prosecutor at the International Criminal Court accused Sudan's president of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, charges Sudan denies. Read the ICC prosecutor's charges (pdf)
How will history judge the world's response to Darfur?
"It will applaud the young people ... who believe in solidarity," says Wiesel. "It will certainly criticize the leaders of the world."
And the next time somebody screams bloody murder to stop a genocide, will anyone listen? |
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Armchair....warriors.
Please make them go away. |
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Better to live ignorant. If the people are in charge of their government (which is debatable) there is nothing more effective one can do then to talk, and write, about something and hope that a majority read and agree. What would your alternative be? Show up at the White house with 6 guys with assault rifles and try to overthrow the government? Then you all die and are branded terrorists, and nothing is ever, ever, ever, done about whatever you felt should be addressed, instead the administration uses you as ammunition against anyone else who thinks the same as you did.
So what would you suggest then? |
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Or how about do it yourself.
Troops are not in existance for your wants and desires. Troops are in existance for your continued security. |
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| Actually, where you live 1 person voting for something that 1 million people don't vote for, loses. What you're thinking of is a dictatorship, or communism or something of the like, then you can just do it yourself, but that's not the case, you have to have a majority of the people to agree with you. Hence the use of debate and discussion. The whole world doesn't resort to military action for change as a first option. |
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Well SRO, the pen is mightier than the sword. 
I posted this to reiterate the fact that the US supported Saddam when he gassed the Kurds. We wanted to sell him stuff. This is a reminder to any remaining idiots who bring up the gassing of the Kurds as a reason for occupying Iraq.
On the good news in Iraq, I just read that women might actually be allowed to drive again. It will be the first time since the occupation began. Whahoo! Liberating the females...for the first time...since Saddam was in power. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/01/AR2008120102934.html?hpid=moreheadlines |
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thanks for posting this Nes!
i appreciate what you are trying to say..
and i'm very grateful that at least SOME people are aware of the crimes the world commits even while mouthing the "never again" crap.
what makes me sad is how many other mass killings go STILL unreported..
because of politics..
or denied becuse of ignorance.
usually by those that hide a gleeful satisfied smirk..orf getting away with it..
well, thanks again. |
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I'm glad you liked it evuch. 
I agree with you. There are atrocities committed daily all over the world. There isn't a race in existance that hasn't at some point in history had atrocities committed against it. The Armenian genocide, the Native American genocide, the current Palestinian genocide, and the list goes on.  |
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I was going to ask you what you're point was, then I realized who you were...never mind.
Thanks for keeping this topic on top. |
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| The Armenian genocide, the Native American genocide, the current Palestinian genocide, and the list goes on. |
Hmmmm, Interesting that the list you gave didn't include the genocide against the Jews?
I wonder why ?
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| The Armenian genocide, the Native American genocide, the current Palestinian genocide, and the list goes on. |
Hmmmm, Interesting that the list you gave didn't include the genocide against the Jews?
I wonder why ?
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Everyone knows about the Holocaust and of previous mass killings against the Jewish peoples. In-fact, the topic of genocide is overly saturated with Holocaust mentionings.
It's time to learn about other different genocides since people are people everywhere and deserve the same attention, recognition, and respect as the Jewish people received post-WWII in most regions of the planet. |
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Nice try Aquarian.
First off I didn't ask you ! secondly that is a cop out, and you know it. Say what you're real reason is. We aren't stupid. We can easily read between the lines here.
If you're anti Jew just say it.
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Or how about do it yourself.
Troops are not in existance for your wants and desires. Troops are in existance for your continued security. |
Continued Security 
Hey Man  What Freaking Country You living In
America is in more danger at this very moment then ever before in her history
The American armed forces are shredded, over fought, under equiped and best of all spread thin as hell half way around the World.
Our Nation hasn't been as ripe for invasion by a massive force since it's existance. And the Chinese military has already drawn of the battle plan.
In a presentation given to the Chinese leadership, by one of the leading Chinese military stratagist. The General mapped out plans for an invasion with the main force coming up through the Panama Canal, Mexico and then Texas. Heading NE to the Mississippi River and spreading N and S along the Western banks. Effectively cutting the United States in half, and taking control of many of the south central Gulf Ports from Lousiana to Texas. By which they will bring in millions of troops, supplies and Armor.
Sounds like a movie you say Yeah it does, where do you think the script writers got the idea?
Did you hear the Russians setting themselves up as the saviors of the World against the Americans the other day ? Russia Today broadcast a stratagist that mapped out a plan to devide America into six territories controlled by China, Russia, Mexico, New York and DC. It's funny how they openly point out that certain elements of our government actually support this destruction of America as we know it. |
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| The Armenian genocide, the Native American genocide, the current Palestinian genocide, and the list goes on. |
Hmmmm, Interesting that the list you gave didn't include the genocide against the Jews?
I wonder why ?
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Heh, simple.
One, I knew I'd get a reaction. Congrats Bloodstone, you took the bait. 
Two, it is refered to as a holocaust, not genocide.
Three, it wasn't just one race of people who were targeted, there were Gypsies, Catholics, gay, handicapped, etc. |
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