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_Billy_
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You ever had been in? In just 1 year you have been at war with more countries than Sweden has in all history
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That's because Sweden is a chicken shitt country, full of chicken shitt people. |
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In just 1 year you have been at war with more
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thats wrong...your country has been in 31 wars not counting
complicity with germany in ww2.
our list
The American Revolution
The War of 1812
Mexican-American War
The Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
The Korean War
Vietnam War
Desert Storm
Operation Enduring Freedom
Iraqi Freedom
looks to me like 11 ball..
swedan takes the trophy for wars at 31..
whats swedens biggest export..
why its war material. not to mention your exporting war goods to nations
that break human rights and are involved with wars. sounds like you have a few skeletons in the old closet to..shouldnt throw rocks in glass houses..
http://www.thelocal.se/4556/20060809/
Exporting Swedish weapons is a booming business. Even though the ruling Social Democrats have said they don’t approve of expanding such deals, billions of kronor are rolling into the country.
* Protect Saab from public sector 'mediocrity' (1 Dec 0
* Ford and GM seek Swedish aid: report (1 Dec 0
* Poll: Swedes in favour of Volvo nationalization (29 Nov 0
Last year Swedish companies exported 8.6 billion kronor worth of weapons, double what was exported just four years before.
Defence manufacturers play an important role in Sweden's economy, with Saab and Bofors (owned by British BAE Systems) among the major exporters. In total, the arms industry accounted for 0.9 percent of Swedish goods exported in 2005.
Saab is a bigger exporter of weapons than all other similar Nordic companies combined. The company has some 14,000 employees and orders worth 48 billion kronor, some 75 percent of which is set to be exported, according to Svenska Dagbladet.
Swedish arms and defence equipment exports to countries with troops in Iraq were worth in excess of 1.8 billion kronor in 2005, according to government statistics. Arms exports to the United States were worth 745 million kronor, exports to Australia were worth 380 million and exports to the UK were worth 353 million. .
Hägglunds in Örnsköldsvik manufactures armoured vehicles and tracked vehicles.
The company is smiling with some 12 billion kronor of orders — five times as much as its turnover. During the past 10 years, turnover has tripled to 3 billion kronor, while the percentage of goods exported has gone up from 40 percent to 90 percent.
The company employs 10 percent of those working in the municipality.
Criticism of the booming industry is becoming louder.
“We export, to a greater extent, to countries that break human rights and are involved with war, said Ola Mattsson, spokesman for Svenska Fred.
Adam Ewing (news@thelocal.se)
oh well...seems your country is pretty involved in keep the worlds
military strong and ready to kick some booty..
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Well, you see, I didn't know that of Sweden. It seems that the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) is alive and well in most industrialized nations.
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Don't leave out all the loans and theft the aided Germany in as well. Stealing things from art to gold teeth, then receiving loans, and same with falsifying deeds for properties etc....
Swedes are a rare breed of two faced ass holes. |
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sometimes you open that aligator mouth aquarian and overload your tweeety bird butt..
it pays to know what you comment on after some research...
you have a tendancies to leap off the cliff before ya looked for a mattress at the bottom..
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| swedan takes the trophy for wars at 31.. |
We are talking about modern times not history, and besides name all those 31 wars if you can, the wars against Denmark however is only 1 in total since it was the same conflict over and over again.  |
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not a problem...i had them listed already on the first page..by your reasoning ww1 an ww2 was against the same country germany...so thats just one war to...bull crap..your history is much more violent that most coutries in the world..
explain that one and you have been the aggressor in half of them..
war is war...if ya been in one you been in one..there aint no well that was long ago so it dont count..
bluz
Sweden has fought 12 wars with Denmark. Denmark is the nation Sweden have been at war with most of the times. Denmark has been the aggressor in 8 of the wars. In 10 of the wars Sweden has been the victor.
Sweden has been at wars with Russia 8 times. In 4 of the wars, Sweden has been the aggressor. Russia has won 3 of the wars.
Sweden has been at wars with Poland 6 times. In 3 of the wars, Sweden has been the aggressor. Poland has won 2 of the wars.
In total, Sweden has been involved in 31 wars between 1521 and 1814. Sweden has been the victor in 18 of those wars, lost 9 and 4 has ended in a draw. |
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I think I`ve said I am not against anything USA did at that war in another thread many times so piss off.
And second USA would never have helped Europe if the Japs didn´t invade Pearl Harbor |
It OK if we liberate Europe, but everyplace else we are war criminals?
You also need to get some lessons in History Saturos. The United States had already been at war in Europe 1-2 years when Pearl bombed Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941. For your information they did not invade Pearl Harbor, they bombed it in a sneek attack and left, there was no land forces that invaded. It was an air attack! |
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| To be fair if the soldiers and boat crews knew that the attack was going to take place it would have gone better. I always wonder why your government didn't warn them of the impending attack, when, after all, they themselves had knowledge about it. |
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| To be fair if the soldiers and boat crews knew that the attack was going to take place it would have gone better. I always wonder why your government didn't warn them of the impending attack, when, after all, they themselves had knowledge about it. |
More revisionist america sucks and wants to kill her own people rhetoric. There were radar operators who saw a formation and mistook it for a training exercise.
The rest is revisionist like all the post 911 crapola. |
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| What about the Australian intelligence you received informing you that a large Japanese naval strike force was on the move? |
Ok so it told them they were going to attack us when we were not at war with the japs at the time?
By now I bet the report trold them the exact time number of aircraft etc that would attack. Even how many people would be killed and bombs dropped.
Heck I bet by now that report also has direction to the Holy Grail. |
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| What about the Australian intelligence you received informing you that a large Japanese naval strike force was on the move? |
Ok so it told them they were going to attack us when we were not at war with the japs at the time?
By now I bet the report trold them the exact time number of aircraft etc that would attack. Even how many people would be killed and bombs dropped.
Heck I bet by now that report also has direction to the Holy Grail. |
Nope, nothing about the Holy Grail Jaacko.
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PEARL HARBOR CONSPIRACY?
FDR and the making of a war
by Srdja Trifkovic
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1. In the summer of 1940 Roosevelt ordered the Pacific to relocate from the West Coast to Hawaii. When its commander, Admiral Richardson, protested that Pearl Harbor offered inadequate protection from air and torpedo attack he was replaced.
2. On October 7 1940 Navy IQ analyst McCollum wrote an eight-point memo for Roosevelt on how to force Japan into war with U.S., including an American oil embargo against Japan. All of them were eventually accomplished.
3. On 23 June 1941 - one day after Hitler's attack on Russia - Secretary of the Interior and FDR's Advisor Harold Ickes wrote a memo for the President in which he pointed out that "there might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia."
4. On 18 October Ickes noted in his diary: "For a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan."
5. The U.S. had cracked key Japanese codes before the attack. FDR received "raw" translations of all key messages. On 24 September 1941 Washington deciphered a message from the Naval Intelligence HQ in Tokyo to Japan's consul-general in Honolulu, requesting grid of exact locations of U.S. Navy ships in the harbor. Commanders in Hawaii were not warned.
6. Sixty years later the U.S. Government still refuses to identify or declassify many pre-attack decrypts on the grounds of "national security"!
7. On November 25 Secretary of War Stimson wrote in his diary that FDR said an attack was likely within days, and asked "how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without too much danger to ourselves. In spite of the risk involved, however, in letting the Japanese fire the first shot, we realized that in order to have the full support of the American people it was desirable to make sure that the Japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt in anyone's mind as to who were the aggressors."
8. On November 25 FDR received a "positive war warning" from Churchill that the Japanese would strike against America at the end of the first week in December. This warning caused the President to do an abrupt about-face on plans for a time-buying modus vivendi with Japan and it resulted in Secretary of State Hull's deliberately provocative ultimatum of 26 November 1941 that guaranteed war.
9. On November 26 Washington ordered both US aircraft carriers, the Enterprise and the Lexington, out of Pearl Harbor "as soon as possible". This order included stripping Pearl of 50 planes or 40 percent of its already inadequate fighter protection. On the same day Cordell Hull issued his ultimatum demanding full Japanese withdrawal from Indochina and all China. U.S. Ambassador to Japan called this "The document that touched the button that started the war."
10. On November 29 Hull told United Press reporter Joe Leib that Pearl Harbor would be attacked on December 7. The New York Times reported on December 8 ("Attack Was Expected," p. 13) that the U.S. knew of the attack a week earlier.
11. On December 1 Office of Naval Intelligence, ONI, 12th Naval District in San Francisco found the missing Japanese fleet by correlating reports from the four wireless news services and several shipping companies that they were getting signals west of Hawaii.
12. On 5 December FDR wrote to the Australian Prime Minister, "There is always the Japanese to consider. Perhaps the next four or five days will decide the matters."
Particularly indicative is Roosevelt's behavior on the day of the attack itself. Harry Hopkins, who was alone with FDR when he received the news, wrote that the President was unsurprised and expressed "great relief." Later in the afternoon Harry Hopkins wrote that the war cabinet conference "met in not too tense an atmosphere because I think that all of us believed that in the last analysis the enemy was Hitler... and that Japan had given us an opportunity." That same evening FDR said to his cabinet, "We have reason to believe that the Germans have told the Japanese that if Japan declares war, they will too. In other words, a declaration of war by Japan automatically brings..." - at which point he was interrupted, but his expectations were perfectly clear. CBS newsman Edward R. Murrow met Roosevelt at midnight and was surprised at FDR's calm reaction. The following morning Roosevelt stressed to his speechwriter Rosenman that "Hitler was still the first target, but he feared that a great many Americans would insist that we make the war in the Pacific at least equally important with the war against Hitler."
Jonathan Daniels, administrative assistant and press secretary to FDR, later said "the blow was heavier than he had hoped it would necessarily be... But the risks paid off; even the loss was worth the price." Roosevelt confirmed this to Stalin at Tehran on November 30, 1943, by saying that "if the Japanese had not attacked the US he doubted very much if it would have been possible to send any American forces to Europe."
Hitherto eminently establishmentarian historian Jonathan Toland has made it possible for Pearl Harbor "conspiracy theorists" to become more respectable "revisionists" with his Infamy: Pearl Harbor and its Aftermath [1981]: "Was it possible to imagine a President who remarked, 'This means war,' after reading the [thirteen-part 6 December] message, not instantly summoning to the White House his Army and Navy commanders as well as his Secretaries of War and Navy? ... Stimson, Marshall, Stark and Harry Hopkins had spent most of the night of December 6 at the White House with the President. All were waiting for what they knew was coming: an attack on Pearl Harbor. The comedy of errors on the sixth and seventh appears incredible. It only makes sense if it was a charade, and Roosevelt and the inner circle had known about the attack."
Churchill later wrote that FDR and his top advisors "knew the full and immediate purpose of their enemy": "A Japanese attack upon the U.S. was a vast simplification of their problems and their duty. How can we wonder that they regarded the actual form of the attack, or even its scale, as incomparably less important than the fact that the whole American nation would be united?"
The real target, Adolf Hitler, duly walked into the trap on December 10, 1941, thus committing the greatest blunder of his career and ensuring Germany's defeat. The rest, as they say, is history. The ensuing fury gave birth first to a superpower, then to an empire. It swept away doubters and isolationists, it legitimized a total war for unconditional surrender. It created nuclear weapons, the Cold War, the military-industrial complex, the "intelligence community," and today's benevolent global hegemony. The people who run the American Empire today will as strenuously deny the existence of a Pearl Harbor conspiracy as their predecessors denied it half a century ago. But in their hearts they'll admit that, even if there had not been one, it should have been invented. |
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typical rightest arguments..
30 million in this country on foodstamps, and our "best american minds" at the vault fighting WWII all over again..
well, seeing how wonderfully our economics has been handled by the illustrious Bush banking magnates these last eight years, a family that made most of it's money helping Adolf..
i guess we could blame the poor for not making more money..
you rightest history revisionists need to pull your heads out of your azzes. |
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