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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject:
heh john,
we have a couple of scientists that are looking at the EMF radiation coming from the object who are located in boston..robert golka was at our TRI LAKES conference with you in 2003 and was given a small piece of it at that time..
so far the conclusions are that something is happening and they dont know how it could be since it isnt radioactive and no elements that would put out an ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION "signal" are in it..
static electricity has been mentioned...thats more of that logic thinking at work again..
the test is known as a squid. anyway since that has been verified again from our first testing here with myself, Dr. Gibbons and Rob Simone some other scientists are ALL OF A SUDDEN very interested in how this could be happening from a very small sample of the object.
we have heard that before. that shouldnt have happened..
then their logic says oh its nothing...has to be a simple explanation..no one ever comes up with one though..
had a geoligist tell me that the object was formed in a thermal process in the earths crust and shot out of a volcano or some such BS...called it native aluminum...there is such a thing as native aluminum but it dont fly out of the sky and of course looks nothing like bobs artifact...
did your producer tell you what happened when the UFO FILES was here taping bob for the show?
all the batteries for the sound equipement kept going dead... in fact that should be on some of the cutting room floors footage you guys shot while ya was here.
i can say that has happened before to..the safe incident in nevada involved batteries also going dead and the cordless mike at the conference also had the same problems with the batteries as did some of the cameras and tape recorders also not on 110 power..
we are still looking for a lab to do the isotope abundance ratio testing but so far no one will touch that test.
a nasa scientist at johnson space center contacted us several years ago about that but has never contacted us again..
John i will be in touch with ya. have a couple of ideas i need to run past ya and i want to send you a copy of the UK show we did last year on jane goldman presents on us..
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:
Thx, you know this might be a part of an alien probe that got shaped this way by atmospheric friction. If i where you i took a metal detector and search for more parts on the site where you find this one.
Thx, you know this might be a part of an alien probe that got shaped this way by atmospheric friction. If i where you i took a metal detector and search for more parts on the site where you find this one.
Bob saw it fall out of a UFO that was hovering / left as I understand.
It wasn't found on the ground it fell to the ground from this object.
Give the people too lazy here a quick jist blues
I read the whole thing some years back and occasionally check the site, theres a LOT of information on this so far, and no conclusive evidence by any credible scientist.
2. We have not one but 3 Polygraph test to what was seen and what
he has been told by a Los Alamos scientist dr. robert rieswieg about the object he recovered.
Bob White was told by dr rieswieg the object was extraterrestrial in origin.
He of course has denied that now. Will he take a lie detector test? Not this week.
3. The polygraphs where given by professional examiners
and full time police officers. Bob White passed these tests with
no doubt to his honesty in recounting his UFO experience.
4. All test prove that the material is manufactured by a process.
5. IT is not natural in origin.
6. IT is not space debrie.
7. IT is not a meteorite.
8. IT is not a piece of a rocket, satellite or the shuttle.
9. IT matches nothing made on this planet now
or in 1985 when it was recovered by Mr White.
IT matches nothing made on this world.
This metal was formed in a vacuum envirorment, in a molten state,
under pressure, subject to rapid heating and extreme cooling.
IT is not from the tin foil factory or the slag pile.
10. We have declassified CIC government documents of
material recovered in Denmark in the 1940's that looks the same
as the Bob White metal.
11. WE have 8 LABS who have done testing on the metal and none of their
findings are the same "EXCEPT" that the OBJECT was manufactured
by some type of process.
12. WE have an EMF signal being EMITTED from the object that varies in strength.
13. WE have a "PIN POINT DIRECTED" EXPOSURE of an XRAY FILM.
THERE is nothing radioactive in the metal to EXPOSE xray film or any film.
14. THE only way to get the exposure to the film would be from the
GAMA or XRAY spectrum.
15. That means an INVISIBLE BEAM was EMITTED from the Bob White object.
The military is working on that technoligy now.
We already have it in the BOB WHITE metal.
SETI is searching for an extraterrestrial signal from the stars.
We have one on the planet now from the Bob White metal.
They are looking in the wrong place.
16. WE have a POWER SOURCE in the BOB WHITE Material.
17. THE material will PRODUCE a CURRENT and hold that CURRENT.
18. THE EMF readings are CONSISTANT and can be received and read with a COMMON
METER available to anyone.
19. THE OBJECT JAMMED an ELECTRONIC SAFE in LAUGHLIN NEVADA in 2003.
SAFE BEING DRILLED OPEN AT HARRAHS CASINO.
20. THIS was VIDEO TAPED and WITNESSED by hotel staff, MUSEUM OF THE
UNEXPLAINED staff, and the media. IT was RECORDED on VIDEO.
21. WE have other EYE witness reports to a UFO SIGHTING like MR WHITES who have
seen EJECTIONS of MATERIAL from UFO's.
22. THE TIM EDWARDS VIDEO shows in daylight what BOB WHITE saw at
night, TWO LIGHTS, one on top of the other, with a space between them.
TIM EDWARDS UFO FILMED IN SALIDA, COLORADO
Edwards UFO blown up showing same stacked light configuation.
23. ROBT ST. JOHNS saw
what TIM EDWARDS, BRANDY EDWARDS and BOB WHITE saw
HUNDREDS of miles apart and at DIFFERENT TIMES yet DESCRIBE the same LIGHT
or SHIP with the SHIP EJECTING MATERIAL into the mountains and countryside.
Below is what Bob White saw in Colorado in 1985.
24. NONE of the eye witnesses knew one another.
25. BOB WHITE has PHYSICAL EVIDENCE from that UFO that can still be
TESTED and SHOULD be TESTED by QUALIFIED SCIENTIFIC LABS.
Everyone wants proof till you produce it...
Then they run and hide from the truth.
Is the government that afraid of ET??
26. NO ALUMINUM plant or for that matter any
ALUMINUM MANUFACTURING PROCESS has been shown to MAKE
ANYTHING that RESEMBLES the BOB WHITE ARTIFACT.
27. NO one has shown the ABILITY to PRODUCE anything like the
BOB WHITE OBJECT.
WE have taken the metal to casting MANUFACTURES.
THE FIRST QUESTION is ALWAYS THE SAME.
"WHERE DID YOU GET THAT??"
The next response is
"NO WE CANT MAKE THAT."
Are there any ALUMINUM producers who want to try??
Let us know when you have one. You have the elements posted here.
28. SOME have said this is some sort of HOAX or SCAM. THEN all anyone
has to do is MAKE another OBJECT like the BOB WHITE material.
HERE'S yours chance TO make us out as hoaxers or scammers about this METAL.
MAKE ONE or SHOW one like the BOB WHITE ARIFACT. Heres the elements list
identified so far...A small percentage still goes unidentified.
JUST GET CLOSE WITH THE 30 IDENTIFIED ELEMENTS.
Make it look the same and dont forget the strontium match with the MARS METEORITES
29. IT is IMPOSSIBLE, and i will repeat that for the non believers,
"IT CANT BE DONE"
to get the SHARP CHAD effect in a CAST ALUMINUM
or the ABALATION LAYER EFFECTS in a CAST ALUMINUM in
an OXYGEN ENVIROMENT in a CASTING.
40 years of hands on METAL WORKING by me says this cant be done.
30. WHAT CASTING PLANT would have all the ELEMENTS in HOUSE to
produce the BOB WHITE material. NONE we have found.
Some have said it was contaminated while being made.
Again, what company would have all that CONTAMINATION in
a casting being manufactured for some product. COMMON SENSE SAYS
no plant would make something by accident that bad if it was a planned poor.
31. MOST of the elements are not even used in an ALUMINUM CASTING PLANT
CHECK THE ELEMENTAL LISTS FOR ALUMINUM CASTINGS.
You will find 9 for most alloys.
Whats the other 20 doing in a supposed 360 casting??
32. DR GILBERT JORDAN, a former DOD NUCLEAR SCIENTIST has SWORN to the
fact he has SEEN AND WORKED on the OBJECT
recovered in DENMARK and it looks like the
BOB WHITE ARTIFACT in size, CONTENT and SHAPE.
33. DR ROBERT GIBBONS,
a former NASA SCIENTIST doing ground breaking LASER RESEARCH
has VARIFIED the EMF RADIATION TESTS and the
XRAY EXPOSURES PRODUCED by the BOB WHITE ARTIFACT.
HIS CREDENTIALS as a LASER SCIENTIST, doing
early MASER DEVELOPMENT are DOCUMENTED. HE was a NUCLEAR MEDICAL
OFFICER and is a RETIRED CAPT FROM the UNITED STATES ARMY. HIS expertise
and his credentials are open for review and his SECURITY CLEARANCE was top SECRET.
HE knows an XRAY EXPOSURE WHEN HE SEES ONE.
34. WE HAVE A DOCUMENTED EXTRATERRESTRIAL
MATCH FROM MARS IN THE STRONTIUM READINGS.
Nothing else needs to be said just from this finding alone.
That is documented. IT IS EXTRATERRESTRIAL!
35. Los Alamos did testing on the BOB WHITE material for
COSGROVE MEURER productions, who use to do the Unsolved Mysteries TV show.
The Los Alamos report called the object UNKOWN 19 times in their report.
The best lab in the UNITED STATES couldnt tell us what this metal is,
how it was made, or where it came from.
They took and unauthorized piece of the material.
Cutting at Los Alamos
Where is the slice to fill in the area showing around the edge of the metal??
BE NICE TO KNOW THAT ANSWER. We do actually..ITS IN LOS ALAMOS.!!
The opinions expressed ABOVE are my Conclusions
as an INDEPENDENT Researcher and are not those of the
MUSEUM or anyone associated with HARD EVIDENCE LCC.
I BELIEVE
what we have in the BOB WHITE EXPERIENCE is the most
CREDIBLE eye witness to a UFO encounter anywhere or anytime
on this planet.
THOUSANDS HAVE MADE CLAIMS!!!
No one has produced the evidence BOB WHITE has.
Not one other person in the world has PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.
recovered from UFO encounter. No one has taken the steps MR WHITE has
taken to get the the scientific community to look at this and do more tests...
NO ONE TAKES POLYGRAPH TESTS TO VERIFY THEIR STORY unless their story is true.
How do you try to prove yourself without using ever tool at your disposal.
The polygraph is a tool. If your honest you wont fear taking one.
Will UFO Promotors preaching WE ARE SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH take one.
No way. Their agenda is commercial..Not a search for the truth.
It is a search for profit. The bigger the BULL **it the more money they make.
People will believe a large pile of bull, sit and listen to the hearsay and go tell
everyone how the truth was there alright. That was true investigation.
NO folks that is not true investigation. That is true snake oil sales at its finest.
Very few UFO INVESTIGATORS have had encounters. How can you be and expert
and you have never had an encounter. That sounds like an oxymoron to me.
These people then take stories told to them and tell the sheeples this is real.
Im an expert.
Let the person WHO HAS HAD THE ENCOUNTER tell their story.
They are the experts. IT HAPPENED TO THEM.
Now i know your out there saying what about ROSWELL, KECKSBURG, and all
the other stories on the net and TV. All that is folks is some tales of something
that might be true or might not.
No HARD EVIDENCE...NONE. You have a story.
You cant prove it. The story is good for the camp ground
or pop corn night at the movies.
Those stories fall into MY GRAY AREA, as a well known UFOLIGIST likes to say.
Very gray as far as im concerned.
What does not fall into "MY GRAY" area is Physical Evidence that you can
See, Taste, Touch, Smell and TEST. That isnt GRAY. That is Evidence..
Do not take me wrong...There are very good cases out there..
Travis Waltons encounter, where lie detector tests where administered
and passed, The Tim Edwards video, The Irainian jet encounter in 1976,
Lonnie Zamora's case in New Mexico in 1964, the Washington UFO's of 1952,
the Pheonix lights, the Betty Cash/Vicki Landrum Incident in 1979,
the Trent Photo in McMinnville Oregon in 1950, The Lubbock Lights of 1951,
1971 The Delphos, Kansas UFO Landing Ring, 1988-Coast Guard Encounters UFOs
1995-American West Airline 564 UFO, and many others. These are good case's.
We cant even get the UFO BIG SHOTS to look at this case.
Infact the so called SCEPTICS wont come near this case either.
WHY is that??
Because this is no profit in it for them for the ufo investigators.
In the case of the sceptics it could prove them wrong. Now that would
stop the entire sceptic community in their tracks.
Proof of UFO's does excist and here it is.
You think they dont know about this metal?
They do but they dont come near it.
They wont promote a case that could take them from the front stage or page.
Where are the TV UFOLIGIST, who preach they want the proof,
yet avoid this case like the plague.
We can count on one hand the real seekers of
truth in the UFO COMMUNITY.
They have checked into this case.
Heres the short list...John Greenewald jr, Franklin Carter, Peter Davenport,
Whitley Strieber, Errol Bruce-Knapp, Rob Simone, Derrel Sims, and Ted Phillips.
In fact that is the list.
Where are the others seeking the truth?
This case actually has REAL EVIDENCE, that can be TESTED.
Not one government agent has shown up to kill MR WHITE.
No one has tried to confiscate the material, shut the site down
or stop the investigation.
Heres what happens when you ask a UFO CONFERENCE PROMOTER
why you have never been asked to share this with the UFO COMMUNITY.
It would cost them nothing at all. It was offered for free. I have the E-mails.
They know who BOB WHITE is and the entire story.
Introductions where made and Mr White informed her a movie was being made
before this question was asked.
The question asked was "Why havnt I been able to
share this with the biggest UFO conference in the world? Isnt it worthy
of consideration?
From there the conversation went down hill.
In fact you could say it crashed.
First there was the song and dance.
"QUOTE There are SO MANY IMPORTANT speakers."
"IT IS SUCH A HARD CHOICE?" WE HAVE TO WITTLE IT DOWN TO JUST A FEW.
"IM SURE ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE YOU ON THE DIAS."
"MANY OTHER CASES ARE SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS"
Aside from Travis Walton, who has taken a polygraph and passed it?
Not one other presenter we have heard of has.
Not one UFO RESEARCHER HAS EITHER as far as what
their motives are concerning what they do and why.
Not one person claiming a
UFO ENCOUNTER has PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
of anything.
But of course their terrible tales of terror, heresay, 2nd hand accounts of wild
eyed reptillians, and a crap circle or 2 are more important than a living eye witness with physical evidence.
Where are the priorities if you are seeking the TRUTH?
The promoters Priorities are "WHO will make us more money."
Not who has the best case. Those are the cold stoned facts.
The truth doesnt make as much money as the "BULL **it" artists.
How many Alien SAUCERS CRASHED in New Mexico in 1947??
I have lost track as the snake oil salesmen pop out of the space craft
with startling new evidence of some 3rd generation 2nd cousin
who heard that great grandpa dip stick was there when the ALIEN CROAKED.
Im sure that will be covered at the next UFO conference.
The video is really quite entertaining as she does the UFO 2 step,
Does a HIGH SPEED come apart, stomps away, and then SLAMS the door on MR. WHITE.
All this WAS captured in living color with the conversation.
It will be one of the highlights of the documentary being done now.
This is known as a KODAK MOMENT,
Its the one where you wish ya had camera.
WE DID!!
Is it possible that it is or was a power source for the craft? Could it be the result of whatever means are used to power such a craft?
Some people believe this may have been runoff from such a power source... A by-product if you will of some sort of fuel etc...
I personally have no opinion on that particular subject, however, I know people who believe they have the same material caught on footage although no one has been able to collect a sample like Bob White.
In fact, I will try my best to get this footage for you Blues so you and Bob can take a look at it and compare the objects pooping stuff out to what you got.
I am trying real hard, but some people like to play games and be uncooperative, as I am sure you know.
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:
someone playing games..in the UFO BUSINESS. ..i cant believe that would happen...
we would love to see anything that shows ejection of material from a UFO IXL4. this is hardly new information as far as witnesses go but a video of it happening is new.
we have no idea what it is still...
some think it could be a fuel cell of some sort...ejected when spent from a reactor using aluminum as the power supply.
some think it could be some sort of location device..location beam of some sort.
others think it could be an information storage device as laser light will reflect off of the cut portion of the bottom in a very coherent pattern like a laser reader in your computor..
dr gibbons did some tests at the museum when he was there showing that.
i know it has a self contained power ability as i have proven that with a couple of tests i did at the museum also..
it will produce its own juice and hold the charge for several hours. it registered almost a volt and half in a distilled water solution.
i have never seen any piece of aluminum that will build a charge of electricity, and store it like a battery. just dont happen in the real world..
never seen a briggs an stratton engine block do that..
if that where true we got free energy...just wire a few engine blocks together and plug in..
dr gilbert jordan said the shape of the object showed projectile type penetrating design with chad layer over a solid center...you destroy the outside of the projectile to get the center to where you want to penetrate.
we have know idea how big this thing was when it was ejected from what ever it came from...bob descibed what he saw as a light on the ground the size of a 3 story building that looked like a full harvest moon and so bright he had to shield his eyes.
when it took off the ejection or explosion took place at quite a distance and altitude the the light was the size of a soft ball at arms length. that was at the joining of the light to the 2 horizontal tubular blue lights stacked on each other.
mother ship??...who knows.
this all happened as bob put it "as fast as my eyes could follow it."..
and then the object returned to the starting point of the original light.
he then followed the groove cut in the hill side from the object as it landed. the object was also glowing on the ground...ALUMINUM DONT GLOW...when it gets to the melting point it goes liquid or molten.
NIDS Analysis Of Bob
White Metal Piece
By Colm Kelleher
NIDS
6-12-4
Analysis of Metal Sample
Mr. White, a Missouri resident, provided the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) a piece of material that he purportedly obtained under unusual circumstances.
Since the material had not been previously tested, NIDS decided to have a battery of tests conducted. The material was delivered to New Mexico Tech, and the tests were conducted under the direction of Dr. Paul Fuierer, an Assistant Professor in the Materials Engineering Department. On August 23, 1996, Dr. Fuierer submitted his analysis, Sample Analysis Report: Sample #2.
The analysis were double blinded. The following is the entire text of the report. No conclusions are made by NIDS.
Sample Description
Sample #2 in its as-received condition can be described as a finger-shaped piece of metal approximately 30 mm long, 7 mm thick, 18 mm wide at its larger end and 10 mm wide at the smaller end. The interior of the specimen is silver-white in color, and highly reflecting. The outside surface has a tarnished, darker gray appearance with overlapping scale-like features. The sample mass was 5.11524 g.
Chemical Analysis
A semi-quantitative elemental analysis was obtained using a Philips 2400 X-ray Fluorescence (wavelength dispersive) Spectrometer. A scan of the entire bulk sample identified as major constituents: 85 wt % A1 and 9 wt % Si, and minor constituents: 2 wt% Fe, 0.9 wt% Ca, 0.7 wt% S, 0.6 wt% C1, and 0.6 wt% Na along with several other elements (see Table I). This was in agreement with the qualitative analysis done via Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy (EDS) during the electron microscopy investigation (next section), which detected aluminum, silicon, and iron. In terms of its chemical composition, sample #2 appears to be similar to what is known as a "360 aluminum casting alloy".
Phase Identification
An X-ray diffraction scan was performed on a slice of the sample with an area of about 1 cm^2. The diffraction pattern is shown in Fig. 1. A13.21Si0.47 is seen to be an excellent match. This composition calculates to 86.8 wt% A1 and 13.2 wt% Si, very close to that of sample #2. The four largest peaks are attributed to the aluminum metal, while the three small peaks (d = 3.1349, d = 1.9221, and d = 1.6375) are due to the presence of silicon. The aluminum peaks are shifted slightly to lower angles and larger d-spacings, as a result of the incorporation of a small amount of other larger metallic impurities into the lattice. The sample can therefore be described as a two-phase mixture of an aluminum solid solution as the majority phase, and silicon as a minor phase. This is in agreement with the equilibrium phase diagram for the Al-Si binary system, shown in Fig. 2. The composition of sample #2 is close to the eutectic composition, which is the composition have the lowest melting point (12.6 % Si according to the published phase diagram).
Microstructural Analysis
Scanning Electron Micropcopy (SEM)
The same slice of sample used for XRD was prepared by grinding and polishing to a mirror finish, followed by etching with 0.5% HF acid for 40 sec. Examination under the electron microscope revealed the microstructure to be quite uniform throughout the sample. Fig. 3 shows low and high magnification shots of the prepared surface. The sample contained a large amount of porosity (darker areas are pits and voids). Also apparent are the small particles (tenths of microns in size) surrounded by the continuous matrix material. EDS revealed the small, light particles to be silicon rich, while the darker gray matrix is Al-rich, as expected (see Fig. 4).
Optical Microscopy
Two samples were cut for metallographic examination; one sliced perpendicular to the length of the sample, and one parallel. These sections were also ground, polished and etched with 0.5% HF. Fig. 5 shows a couple of low mag shots of the parallel sample. The high porosity is very apparent, along with the very fine microstructure. Flow lines are also apparent in these two shots. The coarse ones are easy to see, outlined by the porosity. A more subtle flow line can be seen in the 250X shot upon close examination, defined only by a slight difference in the density of the darker particles on either side. These kinds of flow lines are commonly observed in poor sand or die castings. These are caused by a failure of molten streams of metal to merge due to poor filling of a mold, incorrect die lubrication or incorrect injection pressures.
Only under 1000X magnification can one start to pick out individual black particles (Fig. 6). These tiny black particles are the same Si particles seen under the SEM as light particles. Unfortunately, sub-micron sized features approach the theoretical limit of resolution for a light microscope, and therefore do not reveal themselves very clearly. However, they seem to have grouped together in certain locations to form longer bands, either straight or curved. These are probably dislocations (highly strained defects in the Al lattice) where precipitation of a second phase often occurs.
The fine microstructure observed in sample #2 is exactly what one might expect from a near eutectic composition of the Al and Si with a significant amount of impurities. Since the eutectic is rich in aluminum, one would predict an Al-rich solid solution matrix with isolated particles of silicon.....just what we have. The fact that the Si particles are spheroidized (essentially equiaxed spherical particles) as opposed to the classic eutectic lamellar shape (elongated plates or needles) can be explained by the significant quantity of impurities like Na, Mg, etc. These are regarded as modifiers in metal alloy technology, which alter surface energies and affect the morphology of the second phase silicon.
Putting all of the above microstructural observations together, one can surmise that the metal was being deformed (pushed or blown) as it cooled from the molten state through the eutectic temperature (~ 577 degrees C) and solidified. It probably cooled fairly rapidly since the Si particles are rather small. Also the alloy may have been undercooled such that excess Si was left in solid solution, and then later precipitated out at the dislocations during either normal or artificial aging.
Physical Properties
Density
Bulk density of the sample was measured based on the Archimedes Principle by immersion in toluene. The mass, while immersed, increased over a long period of time, finally stabilizing after 3 hours, indicative of a highly porous sample. The density of sample #2 was calculated to be 2.47 g/cm^3. This is 91% of that of the theoretical density of pure A1 (2.71 g/cm^3). This is not surprising, considering the presence of undisolved silicon (2.33 g/cm^3) and significant amount of void space observed under the microscope.
Hardness
The same samples (both perpendicular and parallel cuts) used for optical microscopy were used to measure hardness. A Vickers Hardness number was obtained from a Leco Tester using a diamond tip micro-indenter. Five indentations were made for each sample. The size of the resulting indentations were measured under the light microscope, and averaged. This average value, along with the known applied load were used to come up with the Vicker's Hardness number. For the perpendicular cut, VH = 60. For the parallel cut, VH = 62. The difference is probably within experimental error. These values are slightly higher than pure aluminum, and typical for aluminum alloys.
Stiffness
An attempt was made to prepare a specimen for measuring the strength and stiffness (elastic modulus) of sample #2 using an Instron machine, however; the sample proved to be to small.
Electrical Properties
A four-point probe must be used for accurate measurement for highly conducting materials like metals. For this, a rectangular slab sample was cut and polished to dimensions: length = 11.16 mm, width = 3.36 mm, and thickness = 0.38 mm. A digital multimeter was used to measure the current (provided by a constant current source) through the length of the sample, while an electrometer was used to measure the voltage drop (to the nearest 0.00001 V) across a length of the slab. The resistivity of sample #2 was measured to be 2.90 x 10^-5 Ohm-cm. This is about an order of magnitude higher than that of pure aluminum (3 x 10^-6 Ohm-cm) and five times higher than that of 360 Al alloy (6x10^-6 Ohm-cm). This is completely reasonable, considering the large number of Si particles, dislocation lines, and amount of porosity.
Summary and Conclusions
Results from the analysis of sample #2 are quite conclusive. The specimen is an aluminum-silicon alloy, with a substantial amount of variety of impurities, including iron, calcium, sulfur, chlorine, sodium, magnesium and others. The composition is one that could be used as an aluminum casting alloy. The closest commercial material has the trade name "360 alloy" [Lyman, 1961]. This is a die casting alloy used in applications where excellent castability and resistance to corrosion are required. It is used for miscellaneous thin-walled and intricate castings. Since this type of alloy is very close to the eutectic (lowest melting) composition, it has excellent fluidity at relatively low temperatures.
The microstructure of the sample is one to be expected from the composition: second phase eutectic silicon particles in a matrix of aluminum solid solution. However, due to a few undesirable structural characteristics, it would be regarded as a poorly cast aluminum alloy when compared with published micrographs of commercial materials [Lyman, 1972]. The large amount of porosity would certainly lead to a decreased strength and decreased corrosion resistance. The presence of porosity together with the apparent flow lines suggests that uncontrolled cooling took place. The significant amount of impurities like sodium accounts for the fineness and rounded nature of the silicon particles, rather than the larger, longer, more angular particules usually observed. Dislocations (planes of slip caused by plastic deformation) appear to be decorated by silicon particles. In many cases, these dislocations follow the flow lines. This suggests some forced flow during solidification of the melt (in the range of temperatures 600 degrees C to 575 degrees C).
There are no anomalies in the results of this analysis. The detected phases are accounted for, and the microstructure lends itself to standard metallurgical interpretation. The physical properties that were measured (density, hardness, and electrical resistivity) all fall within the expected range.
References
Lyman, T. (editor), "Properties and Selection of Metals", Vol. 1 in Metals Handbook, American Society for Metals (1961).
Lyman, T. (editor), "Atlas of Microstructures of Industrial Alloys", Vol. 7 in Metals Handbook, American Society for Metals (1972).
Lyman, T. (editor), "Metallography, Structures and Phase Diagrams", Vol. 8 in Metals Handbook, American Society for Metals (1973).
Mondolfo, L.R., Aluminum Alloys: Structure and Properties, Butterworth Inc. (1976).
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject:
that was the first test done..incomplete and wrong in its findings..
hardly the latest data on the work done..
NIDS did no actual testing of the object..it was done at new mexico tech.
double blinded.
that scientist also told us the wrong tests where done at that time. also why it was brought to them in the first place he didnt understand as they couldnt do isotope abundance ratio testing which would be the proper test to do.
we kind of use that report for inportant matters in the bathroom.. its just like charmin...squeezably soft...
they did find a couple of points of interest in the tests though..
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Putting all of the above microstructural observations together, one can surmise that the metal was being deformed (pushed or blown) as it cooled from the molten state through the eutectic temperature (~ 577 degrees C) and solidified. It probably cooled fairly rapidly since the Si particles are rather small. Also the alloy may have been undercooled such that excess Si was left in solid solution, and then later precipitated out at the dislocations during either normal or artificial aging.
this says what other tests have shown and also fall with in the peramatures of what bob saw... uncontrolled cooling such as would happen at a very high altitude.
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This suggests some forced flow during solidification of the melt (in the range of temperatures 600 degrees C to 575 degrees C).
this point also says it was forced out of some sort of process...what process isnt pointed out...it isnt close to a 36o as a 360 has 9 elements in it...the NIDS test identified 22...8 more have since been i identified..
its either an alloy or it isnt an alloy...NIDS says it is manufactured..
but they couldnt match to any know alloy..they say close..that is totally incorrect. Colm kelher the head of nids the last time a comment was made by them was "WE DIDNT DO A FULL RANGE OF TEST. IY WAS A BASIC ELEMENTAL..'
now if i am supposed to searching for something and the best you can do is a basic test you arent looking very hard for anythiing.
NIDS was worthless as a ufo research group and bigalow never released any information once it went into the bigalow black hole. they are now defunct as anykind of research organization...closed up shop..
one of the biggest locations in the world that had constant sightings was purchased by him and that was the end of any informaiton from that area. PERIOD.
he tried to hire one of our board members but he had to give all of J ALLEN HYNEKS ufo research to him to be hired that he has......that person was Ted Phillips...Ted wouldnt do that and turned down the job flat. That job was director of NIDS...
bluz
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Didn't older aircrafts dump human waste while flying? Or there have been cases of frozen excrement falling from the sky. Have you considered its just the ufo remnants from the "little alien's room" as disturbing as it may sound knowing how much you've handled it
in fact that should be on some of the cutting room floors footage you guys shot while ya was here.
..i cant believe that would happen... 
