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Nimrod
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 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: ANTI-GRAVITY & THE SPEED OF LIGHT |
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Hi all I have just signed up to this website after watch a doco on UFO's. Im am please to find that there are many people out there that are interested in everything that this website has to offer. My Ponder is, is it posible to travel at the speed of light with current technology??? If we could go that fast what would stop us from "Splatting" on the "back wall". I believe that with current advitised technolgy it is in-efficent to travel even close to that speed. We need to be developing different types of propultion that are not "rocket" related as this is just not going to work. Gravity from what I know is the effect of Gravitons, which is a measurable partical, is it not?? Surely there must be away to repell gravitons, or create anti-gravitons??
On this topic if we could produce a propultion system that "alters" or negates gravity then this technology would also let us travel at great speeds without being liquified. Does anyone have any insite or information to help me sleep at night as I have devoted a great part of my time pondering this probelm and I need answers. Surely if there have been alien space crafts recovered then the technology is somewere, covered up. But for what reason. Wouldnt the USA want to be known to have this great technology???? |
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| With todays tech we can travel at the speed of light without being crushed by the gravitational forces. The only problem is, that the tech is been kept away from the public by our governments. |
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| With todays tech we can travel at the speed of light without being crushed by the gravitational forces. The only problem is, that the tech is been kept away from the public by our governments. |
This is what I was thinking. But why why why wont they come out with it. It doesnt make sence why they would hide it for so long. Unless they dont know what they are doing with it and cant work out how to use it properly??? |
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We do not have lightspeed or FTL capabilities, and there are two very obvious military application that would have them if if we did.
1) Nuclear Missile motors are not L or FTL capable. If they were it would be like teleporting the missile to target, they'd leave the pad vanish and bethere in less than one second. In otherwords, any leadership targets faced the ultimate sniper. Furthermore such technology could be used with coventional missile warheads and we could have avoided Gulf War II entirely.
2) Why have a warhead on a missile, with L & FTL capabilities a missile only needs kinetic energy to make a impact more precise but with just as much destruction. |
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LMAO
Centrifugal force would make it impossible to use FTL tech on any planet based level. Think about it, centrifugal force on say a B17 Flying Fortress with one wing missing is enough to make sure no one is able to jump ship, they're all against the walls. And folks, look at the size of a B-17, something that slow, spinning at such a comparatively low, not to mention steady, rate is easily enough to keep the whole crew pressed against the sides. Imagine the force that going faster than 300 000km a second and turning a full 180º turns over the course of 100 000km? in 1/3 of a second, a missile weighting 1000's of lbs is going to completely change direction? That's a 600 000km/s speed difference in .33 seconds. Not gunna happen.
Now, the biggest problem with traveling the speed of light is matter can't travel at the speed of light. Applying infinite amounts of energy that is 100% manipulated perfectly with no waste cannot excel any object to that speed. What would happen if it did? Think of resistances. ex: Spray cans are cold, why is this? Because when things are cold they get smaller, more compressed, when things are warm they get bigger, they expand. Well, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Spray cans are cold because there is force influencing it, making it easier to be cold. You can keep them warm, but only by applying equal force as the force that's keeping them cold in the first place, to keeping them warm.
All forms of radiation move at the same speed, absolute max, no resistance at all. No matter what you do to matter short of somehow turning it into energy, it will always have mass, and will always have resistance applied to it. Now, IF you got it to go light speed, something has to go on the other end of the equation. I'm no genius, but to me that means it's probably not going to stay matter too well. |
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I wouldn't LMAO. Having an FTL drive does not mean the weapon could not go slower. Take a warp drive it can warp of planet with little inertia, turn around as slow as bicycle and warp in 20m above a target and detonate. Or have a combo drive like Star Trek warp up to altitude with no inertia turn around slow like a bicycle and then slam into the planet at full impulse or slower. The USA has been llooking into space launched kinetic bombs for atleast ten years and the earlier MiG-105 was made for orbital bombing.
Warping space time means no inertia thats why it's a short cut around Einsteins relativity problem. It s already known that the fabric of space time moves faster than light. And such is the effect of the quantum tunnel bore as well, it keeps the original inertia and the tunnels a short cut. While warp drive is just hypothetical we know gravity warps space time and that quantum tunnel bores happen. But Us having the technology to use it on ships and weapons is unlikely, proably for another 100 to 2000 years at the least. |
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Yes, hence the LMAO.
You're talking like startrek, not reality. |
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Duh. Look SRO, we don't have FTL you and I both know that. But some folks think we do, and thus my refutation of that thought, by means of exposing the weakness of the argument by using hypothtical weapon's system.
The USA does have some nasty weapons systems, that aren't publically known though. But none of them are ET in origin. |
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unlike FTL antigravity is different story since the early 1990s but as far as I know we are still only talking 2% weight loss. In terms of FTL this antigravity is childs toys top compared to FTL which is closer to very sophisticated gyroscopes in comparrison. To go FTL you'd have to fine manipulated gravity and anti gravity so it still hundred if not thousands of years away.
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Anti-gravity propulsion comes ‘out of the closet’
29 July 2002
Anti-gravity propulsion comes ‘out of the closet’
By Nick Cook, JDW Aerospace Consultant, London
Boeing, the world’s largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is working on experimental anti-gravity projects that could overturn a century of conventional aerospace propulsion technology if the science underpinning them can be engineered into hardware.
As part of the effort, which is being run out of Boeing’s Phantom Works advanced research and development facility in Seattle, the company is trying to solicit the services of a Russian scientist who claims he has developed anti-gravity devices. So far, however, Boeing has fallen foul of Russian technology transfer controls (Moscow wants to stem the exodus of Russian high technology to the West).
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jdw/jdw020729_1_n.shtml
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Monday, 29 July, 2002, 03:23 GMT 04:23 UK
Boeing tries to defy gravity
Researchers at the world's largest aircraft maker, Boeing, are using the work of a controversial Russian scientist to try to create a device that will defy gravity.
The company is examining an experiment by Yevgeny Podkletnov, who claims to have developed a device which can shield objects from the Earth's pull.
Dr Podkletnov is viewed with suspicion by many conventional scientists. They have not been able to reproduce his results.
The project is being run by the top-secret Phantom Works in Seattle, the part of the company which handles Boeing's most sensitive programmes.
The head of the Phantom Works, George Muellner, told the security analysis journal Jane's Defence Weekly that the science appeared to be valid and plausible.
Dr Podkletnov claims to have countered the effects of gravity in an experiment at the Tampere University of Technology in Finland in 1992.
The scientist says he found that objects above a superconducting ceramic disc rotating over powerful electromagnets lost weight.
The reduction in gravity was small, about 2%, but the implications - for example, in terms of cutting the energy needed for a plane to fly - were immense.
Scientists who investigated Dr Podkletnov's work, however, said the experiment was fundamentally flawed and that negating gravity was impossible.
Research explored
But documents obtained by Jane's Defence Weekly and seen by the BBC show that Boeing is taking Dr Podkletnov's research seriously.
The hypothesis is being tested in a programme codenamed Project Grasp.
Boeing is the latest in a series of high-profile institutions trying to replicate Dr Podkletnov's experiment.
The military wing of the UK hi-tech group BAE Systems is working on an anti-gravity programme, dubbed Project Greenglow.
The US space agency, Nasa, is also attempting to reproduce Dr Podkletnov's findings, but a preliminary report indicates the effect does not exist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2157975.stm
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April, 2001: The US Department of Defense publishes the “Annual Report on Cooperative Agreements and Other Transactions Entered into During FY2001”, which cites the payment of $448,970 to Ning Li’s AC-Gravity, LLC by the US Army Aviation and Missile Command (AMCOM). The report cites the funding as being allocated for “Gravito-Electro Magnetic Superconductivity Experiments”, with described goals including the eventual implementation of gravity-control for propulsion & weapons applications.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity---A-Timeline/Page1.html
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July, 2002: A Boeing Phantomworks employee leaks an internal document describing corporate interest in Podkletnov’s research to Jane’s Defense World Magazine. The subsequent media-frenzy leads to a company-wide crackdown on BPP research. The media claims the research involved rotating superconductors, but the Boeing document itself was about the Impulse-Generator experiment. Oops!
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity---A-Timeline/Page1.html
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September, 2002: NASA scientists Glen “Tony” Robertson and Ron Koczor report experimental failure in testing Podkletnov’s original rotating-superconductor experiment. The experiment required the rotation of a $600,000 superconductor built by SCI-Engineered Materials up to 5,000 rpm. NASA was concerned about explosive decomposition from the high-velocity, and abandoned the test at only 200 rpm, calling it a failure.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity---A-Timeline/Page1.html
(note this is slower than CDRoms)
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May, 2003: Boeing releases a public presentation on “The Application of High-Frequency Gravitational-Waves to Communications”. It proposes a variety of concepts for modifying gravity, including several utilizing Type-II superconductors.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity---A-Timeline/Page1.html
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May, 2003: Dr. Ning Li sends a private email to colleagues claiming to have experimentally verified a large-scale AC-Gravity measuring “11-kilowatts of output effect”, and abruptly disappears from public view. (this is her last known public communication)
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity---A-Timeline/Page1.html
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July, 2004: In a live-interview with American Antigravity’s Tim Ventura, Podkletnov describes his continuing experiments with the Impulse-Generator as generating a powerful gravity-beam capable of “punching through brick and warping metal like hitting it with a sledgehammer”.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/500/1/Superconductors-and-Antigravity---A-Timeline/Page1.html
Aug. 4, 2004
Eugene Podkletnov Anti-Gravity Breakthrough
Superconducting Force-Beam Generator produces an output in excess of hundreds of pounds of pure gravitational force. Follow-up interview.
by Tim Ventura
for Pure Energy Systems News
KIRKLAND, WASHINGTON, USA
Last week Dr. Eugene Podkletnov stunned the experimental Anti-Gravity community with the revelation that his Superconducting Force-Beam Generator was producing an output in excess of hundreds of pounds of pure gravitational force.
We've just finished a follow-up interview with Podkletnov to learn more about the results that he's been getting.
Podkletnov claims that the gravitational beam is generated by a 3 to 5 megavolt drop onto a 4-inch diameter superconductor, which is enclosed in a wrapped-solenoid to create a magnetic field around the apparatus.
Pulses are powerful enough to punch through brick, concrete, and deform light-metals "like hitting it with a sledgehammer".
The beam doesn't disappear rapidly with distance -- in fact, its been measured at distances of up to 5 kilometers, and seems to penetrate all materials without a decrease in force. These are only a few of the details that he provides as we cover listener questions in this follow-up interview.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/08/04/6900035EugenePodkletnov/ |
Belive me I wish we had it so I could get off this war prone planet and to some place peaceful. |
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| But why why why wont they come out with it. It doesnt make sence why they would hide it for so long |
because the release of such technology will crush the oil industry that generates billions every year polluting our atmosphere thats one motive for hidding them |
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| So what exactly is FTL, and to travel the speed of light wouldn't you have to have zero friction, which is all most impossible. say your in space, no resistance, and then you hit a pebble, you would be annhialated |
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| Technically it's impossible to travel the speed of light, However if we had a way to appy extremely large amounts of force to an object in space it's possible because there's no resistance and the object would continually travel at the speed of light forever until it collided with something. |
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| FTL means Faster Than Light, however the term is a bit off. Why? well because most FTL concepts rely on shortcuts to get around some very unpleasant problems that happen when an object accelerates to near the speed of light, those problems are known as relativistic effects (some very major weirdness) and massive fuel consumption. To effect these short cuts a ship either manipulates gravity to form fold or warps in space (see a wrinkle in time) over which a ship skips from wave peak to wave peak at normal speeds, or the bore a tunnel/worm hole from one part of the universe to another, or the step out of the known universe into another dimension hyperspace/subspace take a tiny step and back into the normal universe. atleast those are the hypothesis started in the 20th century. |
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ARCHER ENTERPRISES'
StarDrive Engineering
http://www.stardrivedevice.com/
On June 11, 2002, U.S. Patent 6,404,089 for the Electrodynamic Field Generator was issued to Mark Tomion, author of StarDrive Engineering. This Patent is the first ever issued for a real all-electric flying saucer design, and you may click here to link to it. Unfortunately, many students and engineers might be a bit disappointed to see that the Detailed Calculations provided at the close of the Patent's Description section, showing how the level of electrically-developed reactionless thrust is determined, are almost unrecognizable in the online American version.
Fortunately, the Europeans distilled a pdf copy for the EDF Generator's PCT (International) Patent Application that is photostatically identical to the original, so the math and drawings are reproduced beautifully. The Detailed Calculations are shown on pages 70–78, and the Table of Dimensions that describes the "classical" flying saucer hull configuration^ in purely algebraic terms is on pgs. 70–71. Therefore, if you'd like to review the PCT Application, click here.
European Patent Office - has pictures /diagrams
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?IDX=WO0209259
US Patent Office
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,404,089.PN.&OS=PN/6,404,089&RS=PN/6,404,089
stardrive generator
http://www.stardrivedevice.com/power_plant.html
Many alternative energy researchers and 'ZERO-POINT ENERGY' enthusiasts will be glad to learn that a 24kW prototype of this exotic non-nuclear over-unity electronic dynamo, for producing abundant, clean, and inexpensive electric power, is now being assembled — using but a few diverse yet familiar late-20th-century technologies.
Starship hull config
http://www.stardrivedevice.com/hull_config.pdf
Chapter 11
http://www.stardrivedevice.com/ch11ex.html
Excerpt: "The analytical procedure we'll use in this discussion derives from the method of breaking the time-light barrier that was proposed at the end of the last Chapter: whereby a StarDrive [EDF] Generator will be driven to a speed sufficient to cause its relativistic mass to very closely approach a level which would ordinarily correspond to the Chandrasekhar limit [about 1.4 solar masses] in reliance upon its Field electron degeneracy pressure to prevent the formation of a neutron object or a black hole. In doing so, it is hoped that an open-ended wormhole will arise which is navigable by means of the Lorentz transformation, in accordance with the work of Olexa-Myron Bilaniuk.
"In order to work with the largest values for starship mass and Field electron velocity (as a function of Field voltage), data will be supplied for a vessel 100 feet in diameter – which as I've said is the largest model advisable using this technology. What we will do first is calculate such a vessel's total relativistic mass at a velocity which corresponds to its Field electron collision speed: the reason being that it will be interesting to see what happens when the starship reaches a velocity which a reactionary ion-thrusted rocket, having the same exhaust speed, couldn't possible exceed. |
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Patents don't mean much without a working model, there are hundreds of patents for flying saucers but few have ever been built or attempted to be flown.
Build it make it work and then people start paying attention. |
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