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thomaspayne
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A GOP insider, former Bush 41 speechwriter and close friend of the Bush family writes in his new book that before 9/11, the Neo-Cons in control of the Bush administration were eager to seize upon a manufactured provocation to go to war - just as LBJ had done with the Gulf Of Tonkin in 1965, and questions the official 9/11 story.
Victor Gold is a veteran GOP campaign operative who worked closely with George H.W. Bush on his presidential campaign and also co-wrote his autobiography. He was also tasked with writing the profiles for Dick and Lynn Cheney for the official Inauguration program in 2001.
In his new book, Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Neo-Cons and Holy Rollers Destroyed the GOP, Gold slams the current administration and exposes their zeal for creating a pretext for a war that was planned many years in advance.
Gold confirms that war in Iraq was decided upon from day one, and that a fake pretext was readied and anticipated before 9/11 happened. Though Gold still pins the blame on Al-Qaeda, in acknowledging the fact that the Bush administration would have staged a false flag attack anyway had it not been for 9/11, he is one small step away from intimating that the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon were an inside job.
"There would be regime change in Iraq," writes Gold, "All that the Neo-Con war hawks, in the Bush administration and out, needed to bring it about was an excuse to invade. Looking back a half-decade and knowing what we now know, who could doubt that if al Qaeda hadn't obliged the Neo-Cons with 9/11, the Kristolites would have torn a page out of history and, with Rupert Murdoch playing the role of William Randolph Hearst, given us a reprise of the sinking of the Maine?"
William Randolph Hearst was the founder of Hearst Publishing, which today owns Popular Mechanics, the government's foremost mouthpiece for selling the official 9/11 story. Look in the encyclopedia and Hearst is the very definition of yellow journalism. He colluded with the McKinley government to manufacture and propagate through his chain of newspapers, the hoax that the Spanish had sunk the USS Maine in 1898, an event that provided the catalyst for the Spanish-American war.
"Had it not been for 9/11, the Bush White House, determined to go to war, would no doubt have seized on some synthetic provocation, on the order of the one LBJ used to push through the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution in 1965," Gold writes.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident, where US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats, an incident that kicked off US involvement in the Vietnam war, was a staged event that never actually took place. Declassified LBJ presidential tapes discuss how to spin the non-event to escalate it as justification for air strikes and the NSA faked intelligence data to make it appear as if two US ships had been lost.
According to the ZTalk blog, in his book Gold also, "Takes pains to point out the holes in the official line (of 9/11) and has some acerbic comments about Israel's peculiar responses."
For Gold, a lifetime Bush family friend and a GOP darling, to go turncoat and detail how the Neo-Cons were feverishly preparing for a false flag event to justify their pre-planned war, while questioning the official 9/11 story, is a resounding slap in the face to those who claim that 9/11 couldn't have been an inside job because whistleblowers would foil the conspiracy.
Hundreds of experts and professionals in all sectors of government, the military, science and industry have blown the whistle, but whenever they attempt to garner media attention, they are harangued as anti-American traitors by loudmouth TV shills who are on the payroll of the very criminals that carried out 9/11.
It took insiders like E. Howard Hunt nearly 50 years to spill the beans on the fact that Kennedy was killed by the government, and yet we already have a plethora of respected individuals sounding the clarion call about 9/11 being an inside job, and in the very least - as in the case of Victor Gold, slamming the fairy tale that is upheld as the government's official story.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/130407insidejob.htm
"Editorial Reviews
Book Description
After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he’s fighting to get his party back. As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to coauthoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them. Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush’s opinion of his son’s work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics. Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administration’s betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.
About the Author
Victor Gold was a speechwriter for Bush Sr. and was a prominent Goldwater disciple. He is a personal friend of the Bush family and many other prominent politicians. His previous books include Looking Forward, the autobiography of George H. W. Bush, and a satirical fiction, The Body Politic, coauthored with Lynne Cheney. He is national correspondent for Washingtonian magazine."
http://www.amazon.com/Invasion-Party-Snatchers-Victor-Gold/dp/1402208413 |
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| This is pretty obvious considering that was one of the points in the Project for a New American Century. |
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| Anyone who is surprised by this should have their brain checked. The eveidence has been there to see since well before March 2002. Most of the rest of the world knew, or at least suspected. The neo-cons did a fair job of hiding it and then pressured the US media into not looking into those dark corners... |
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| Can you recognize HYPE for a book? He writes his OPINIONS in a BOOK & we're supposed to believe that it's the TRUTH? How much Money do you think that he expects to make from these accusations? |
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| Not as much as Bush and his pals are making off the Iraq war... |
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| Not as much as Bush and his pals are making off the Iraq war... |
Care to try to prove that accusation? It should be interesting to read. |
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| Not as much as Bush and his pals are making off the Iraq war... |
More like Cheney, KBR, Halliburton, et al - and the banskters, of course.
Anyone who thinks this guy hasn't said these things with the okay of the NWO is missing something. Daddy Bush is Mr NWO USA, and TPTB that he answers to are not American. They're an old enemy. Figure it out. Find is who is behing the NAU? Who carved up the middle east? Who has always had imperialist designs on Asia? Not the USA. We're just being used as the pit bull (and robbed in the process). Someone is about to get hung out to slowly twist in the wind while the real perps go about their business of destroying the USA, and conquering the world.
Clue: The sun never sets on the _______ ______. |
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Sin City? The sun never sets on Sin City?
The republicans may be out with the next election. That doesn't mean there's any kind of political party with a cohesive ideology poised to challenge the aristocorp. It doesn't even mean the people, though they may be dissatisfied with a fast food economy are willing to embrace a paradigm of social responsibility that would ensure responsible government. They seem much more satisfied with Social Darwinism and self congratulatory accolades. Wrapping themselves in laurels for whatever scraps they dress their inner voids with in order to defend themselves from possible exclusion from the cliques their overlord's have trained them to emulate. Looks like vultures in a fluorescent city. |
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| Can you recognize HYPE for a book? He writes his OPINIONS in a BOOK & we're supposed to believe that it's the TRUTH? How much Money do you think that he expects to make from these accusations? |
He is an individual with an opinion based on experiences that you do not have.
What is actually expected from people like you who can only give contra to anything that appears critical and negative towards this Administration is the fact that one still expects that you should be a real American who will not just simply dismiss a claim and instead do some real research into the subject.
Whether you end up agreeing or disagreeing or simply just finding small truths here and there is not the issue......the issue is instead of you opening your trap and spewing crap out just for the heck of it, you ought to learn to give yourself a kick in the a$$ and remind yourself why you are proud to be a US citizen and why you love your country and why you believe the Constitution to be the ultimate document ever written for mankind and that it is your damn duty to actually look into issues of importance that could change this country to the point you might not recognize it anymore.
Cause if (and I would like to emphasize the "if) this country does change to your dislike it will be too late to kick your a$$ into high gear.
Only a suggestion I've noticed you waste a lot of time and energy putting everyone else down who doesn't jive with your patriotic views. |
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The problem is this Bush and Co. did not do 9-11. While they had planned to do such a nasty they did not carry it out, thenemy beat them to the punch just like Roosevelt's planned Day of Infamy against the the west coast of Japan for spring 1942 was beaten to the punch by the enmy's raid on Pearl Harbor in 1941. The main difference being Bush was planning to attack Americans or their "interests".
Now step back a moment Al-Qaeda swings the punch first Bush & Co. are already preparing for their False Flag and post Flase Flag movements. Opportunity presented itself, the problem isn't that Al-Qaeda did the attack the problem is how far into planning and execution was Bush & Co. Bush can't be nailed for 9-11 he did not do it. BUT planning and getting a false flag operation started agaisnt Americans is high treason, and under the law the president would not only get impeached he faces the possibility of being hanged under law along with his co-conspirators. So here is where a cover-up is really likely, and why the conspiracy of silence is so valuable. Why? Because the amount of people involved in such an act of high treason is very large and would include a large amount of congress. The mass executions of conspirators would lead to witch hunts which could destabilize the nation. Ever wonder why so many Congressional Democrats keep rolling over, probably because they were in on just enough (or thought they were) to hanged with the Republicans. So keep the job became keep the public focused on the truth that Al-qaeda was responsible so that the same post 9-11 (previously false flag) actions could take place but do everything possible to cover the aborted False Flag mission up. |
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From: chiselray
To: Blackmask
Posted: Thu Sep 13,2007 11:05 am
Subject: warning
Dont open your mouth about mods again?
You aint tough posting comments on this board newbi about present moderators OK?
You are not impressing anyone here,fact 2 if you want to be banned keep it up..i will have you banned ok? 
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| Not as much as Bush and his pals are making off the Iraq war... |
Care to try to prove that accusation? It should be interesting to read. |
Easy. Ok, first off the illegitimate wanna be bush makes money off oil. Just after the war began, all the large oil companies have increased profits incredibly high. Now, there is a Dallas company that is going to start drilling for oil in Kurdistan. If you want to dispute any of what I say, just make the point, without personal insult, and I will get you the reference.
Ok, now Cheney, who worked for Haliburton. They are a contractor in this war and make money off war. They even have a grassroots organization formed because of their illegal workings.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/earnings072205.html
Now, on a personal note, that I cannot prove one way or the other. The above statements, I can find evidence for, as time allows. I was in a bar and spoke with a guy who didn't have a problem with American lives being forfitted for corporations. I tried to delve into that aspect more, but, he declined. However, this same guy, who was from eastern Oregon, told me a story about a guy who went to work for Haliburton in Iraq.
According to this guy, his neighbor signed up with Haliburton. He moved to Iraq with promises of no taxes and monthly pay. Since he was a contractor, the American government payed Haliburton money to hire this guy. We're not sure the sum, but if they're acting like other contractors then it is probably double what the worker is payed. But, that is just a guess. So, this American goes to work in Iraq for haliburton and doesn't get paid for 3 months. He keeps asking about the promises that were made...still...no pay. Meanwhile, the American taxpayers have already paid Haliburton, the stock holders like cheney have gotten their dividends...this American though, cannot afford to work for the company anymore. So, he quits, without any pay, and comes back to the states.
The question then becomes, did We The People get our money back? The answer is obvious. |
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| Can you recognize HYPE for a book? He writes his OPINIONS in a BOOK & we're supposed to believe that it's the TRUTH? How much Money do you think that he expects to make from these accusations? |
He is an individual with an opinion based on experiences that you do not have.
What is actually expected from people like you who can only give contra to anything that appears critical and negative towards this Administration is the fact that one still expects that you should be a real American who will not just simply dismiss a claim and instead do some real research into the subject.
Whether you end up agreeing or disagreeing or simply just finding small truths here and there is not the issue......the issue is instead of you opening your trap and spewing crap out just for the heck of it, you ought to learn to give yourself a kick in the a$$ and remind yourself why you are proud to be a US citizen and why you love your country and why you believe the Constitution to be the ultimate document ever written for mankind and that it is your damn duty to actually look into issues of importance that could change this country to the point you might not recognize it anymore.
Cause if (and I would like to emphasize the "if) this country does change to your dislike it will be too late to kick your a$$ into high gear.
Only a suggestion I've noticed you waste a lot of time and energy putting everyone else down who doesn't jive with your patriotic views. |
Thus Speaks the Moderator! Very moderate! I have opinions based on experiences that he,or you, don't have. I've noticed that you waste no time at all in taking every opportunity to criticize anything & everything about the Bush Administration. I also don't think a lot of the veracity of your''research'' that you use to try to support your OPINIONS! I Don't agree with your OPINIONS, & that's why I oppose them, & why I'll continue to oppose them.You don't seem to have a problem supporting anything that is contra to this administration. How does that make your position so Superior? You see the Faults & negatives in this country. I see the Overwhelmingly positive aspects. You are certainly entitled to your Extremely Negative outlook, just as I'm entitled to Mine. Maybe that would be a more ''moderate'' position? Maybe its not too late for you to ''kick your a$$ into high gear''. |
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| inja wrote: |
| bgak47 wrote: |
| Can you recognize HYPE for a book? He writes his OPINIONS in a BOOK & we're supposed to believe that it's the TRUTH? How much Money do you think that he expects to make from these accusations? |
He is an individual with an opinion based on experiences that you do not have.
What is actually expected from people like you who can only give contra to anything that appears critical and negative towards this Administration is the fact that one still expects that you should be a real American who will not just simply dismiss a claim and instead do some real research into the subject.
Whether you end up agreeing or disagreeing or simply just finding small truths here and there is not the issue......the issue is instead of you opening your trap and spewing crap out just for the heck of it, you ought to learn to give yourself a kick in the a$$ and remind yourself why you are proud to be a US citizen and why you love your country and why you believe the Constitution to be the ultimate document ever written for mankind and that it is your damn duty to actually look into issues of importance that could change this country to the point you might not recognize it anymore.
Cause if (and I would like to emphasize the "if) this country does change to your dislike it will be too late to kick your a$$ into high gear.
Only a suggestion I've noticed you waste a lot of time and energy putting everyone else down who doesn't jive with your patriotic views. |
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Thus Speaks the Moderator! Very moderate! |
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So...that is where it comes from, eh? Sorry Inja, I get this same tactic from tarsustom too. It's too bad they haven't yet learned to truly debate, but only dabble in insults. I understand now.
Last I looked, moderators were allowed to have opinions on topics that they moderate. What she stated was an opinion. There was a time when there were even more opinionated moderators here. I always heard you back that "ass". Why the difference now?
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I have opinions based on experiences that he,or you, don't have. I've noticed that you waste no time at all in taking every opportunity to criticize anything & everything about the Bush Administration. I also don't think a lot of the veracity of your''research'' that you use to try to support your OPINIONS! I Don't agree with your OPINIONS, & that's why I oppose them, & why I'll continue to oppose them.You don't seem to have a problem supporting anything that is contra to this administration. How does that make your position so Superior? You see the Faults & negatives in this country. I see the Overwhelmingly positive aspects. You are certainly entitled to your Extremely Negative outlook, just as I'm entitled to Mine. Maybe that would be a more ''moderate'' position? Maybe its not too late for you to ''kick your a$$ into high gear''. |
It's funny, when this unelected "government" is constantly caught in lies, there are some who are still so brainwashed that they get angry at their fellow Americans. I still have hope that these brainwashed Americans will soon see the light. |
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| And since chisleray seems to be on a kick to threaten to ban anyone who questions a mod... maybe he'll ban me? |
Let me attempt to explain this to you. You like cops, right? They have a hard job and their intent is to make this world a better place. Now, it is a really hard job, so hard that many of them have huge drinking problems. They also have the highest rate of divorce.
Think of mods as a type of police force. The mods will back each other, and it's a thankless job in cyberspace, similar to the job of being a cop in RL. Obviously, not on the scale of actual cops, we don't have to put our lives on the line daily and we don't get paid. |
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