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chiselray
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 Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: The Aurora, Texas Crash of 1897 |
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Rykuss
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Having just watched the episode on The History Channel again today, I'm left bitter with the folks of that town for going out of their way to hinder the investigation. If there is a Hell, I hope they all burn in it. |
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Wickerman1972
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Nothing substantial to that so-called "case" at all. Kinda' bugged me that UFO Hunters threw an episode away on it. |
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majorion
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Speaking of UFO hunters, that is one crappy program. They do nothing for the UFO community. |
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Wickerman1972
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| majorion wrote: |
| Speaking of UFO hunters, that is one crappy program. They do nothing for the UFO community. |
They are doing more than a lot of others. The UFO field use to have a lot of good investigators. But the new breed is mostly amateurs who believe everything. In the golden days of ufology we had quality researchers like J. Allen Hynek, Jaques Vallee, Richard Haines, Aimee Michele, Stanton Friedman, James McDonald, Donald Keyhoe, Bruce Maccabee, Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs, John Mack, John Keel, etc. Many of those people are scientists and/or academics. We aren't getting enough of those from the new crop. Sure, some of those people are still active but are so old that they won't be around much longer. From the newer breed of ufologists coming up now I'm seeing a lot of nonsense and very little quality research and that is distressing.
But the crew of UFO Hunters has contributed 2 valuable pieces of information imo. First they thoroughly debunked much of the NASA footage with an experiment they did that conclusively showed to any sane person that the objects on the film were due to a quirk of the camera being used, not ET spacecraft. All of the NASA footage that features what look like discs with a hole in the middle and a wedge in the side were due to this quirk. So we can put that to rest now, although I'm sure there will be plenty of crackpots who refuse to let go. Secondly they conclusively proved that the source of the Rendlesham case could not have possibly been the result of a lighthouse beacon as debunkers like James Magaha have repeatedly claimed because that beacon only shined out to sea, never through the woods.
To me those 2 accomplishments greatly outweigh most of the outlandish things I hear from younger UFO "researchers" like the Illuminati (It fascinates me how popular David Icke is on the web. Just goes to show that lunacy and idiocy are alive and well.), Area 51, and a host of outrageous conspiracy theories that leaves one shaking their head. While legitimate researchers like the ones I mentioned earlier are still trying to figure out if these things are even aliens, multidimensional beings, spirits, or something so bizarre that we can't even guess at it a lot of younger guys are telling us exactly where they come from, how many different races there is, which ones are good or bad, which ones have what deals with what governments, etc. RUBBISH! I'll take the cast of UFO Hunters over those charlatans any day.
In the end although much is left to be desired (Bill Birnes is a true believer if ever there was one and I don't like that some of the cases they investigate are known hoaxes like the one this thread is about and the Maury Island case. If it was already shown years ago that a case is bogus then why bother investigating it further?) with UFO Hunters it could certainly be much, much worse. At least they're not talking about reptilians controlling the world, ha ha. And they've demonstrated intellectual honesty by debunking that NASA footage as convincingly as they did. Overall I like the show. It isn't perfect but what is when it comes to ufology on television? |
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Aquatank
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The Aurora crash happened during the wave of post civil war airship sightings. It should be noted that observation balloons were used during the civil war so the technology had been around for sometime. In fact the flapping propulsion system was witnessed by George Washington in 1793. http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/ss/airship_4.htm the first steam powered rigid airship appeared in 1852 and the first gasoline powered airship a year after the Aurora crash in 1898.
My opinion on this is we are looking at very early military black project. and if the 30+ year advance held true than its possible some of the airships tech was equal to 1927. An example of a 1927 airship is the ZR-3 USS LOS ANGELES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZR-3 |
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Wickerman1972
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| Aquatank wrote: |
The Aurora crash happened during the wave of post civil war airship sightings. It should be noted that observation balloons were used during the civil war so the technology had been around for sometime. In fact the flapping propulsion system was witnessed by George Washington in 1793. http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/ss/airship_4.htm the first steam powered rigid airship appeared in 1852 and the first gasoline powered airship a year after the Aurora crash in 1898.
My opinion on this is we are looking at very early military black project. and if the 30+ year advance held true than its possible some of the airships tech was equal to 1927. An example of a 1927 airship is the ZR-3 USS LOS ANGELES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZR-3 |
The airship wave of the late 1800's was largely a collective gag by newspaper journalists. This was written about pretty convincingly by Jerome Clark. A few stories emerged here and there and other papers imitated the articles. The thing snowballed until you had newspapers all over the place getting in on the fun. Most of them were invented out of whole cloth in the newspaper offices. Whether or not the mass of fake stories was influenced by a few genuine events is hard to say but it seems pretty clear to me that no massive wave of sightings actually occurred except for in the imaginations of dozens of grinning reporters. |
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dejarma
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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From the newer breed of ufologists coming up now I'm seeing a lot of nonsense and very little quality research and that is distressing.
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What is quality research? I love seeing the word “research” in places like this….. what is there to actually research? give an example of what YOU would research? |
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Wickerman1972
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From the newer breed of ufologists coming up now I'm seeing a lot of nonsense and very little quality research and that is distressing.
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What is quality research? I love seeing the word “research” in places like this….. what is there to actually research? give an example of what YOU would research? |
The way it use to be done in the early days. You get a report, you go to the location, interview witnesses, look for and analyze ground traces, contact radar operators about possible radar trackings, analyze any photographs or video, etc. In other words GET OUT INTO THE FIELD. All the emphasis on document chasing and government conspiracy theorizing these days has gotten out of hand. It's like investigators have tired of all the field work and are hoping for a home run with the government. The government probably doesn't know much more than civilian researchers do so constantly pestering them isn't going to solve anything. People like to believe that they know everything, that they are holding all the cards and know the HORRIBLE TRUTH. I don't buy it. There is no good evidence that suggests they have the answers. I wonder what could be accomplished in Ufology if a 5 year moratorium was put into effect by the major UFO organizations banning any government chasing and focusing entirely on field research instead. We keep reading about classic cases over and over again because so few researchers are investigating current ones. |
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Wickerman1972
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Another thing, the overall tone of ufology in the US needs to change because it is dying. First of all ufologists need to learn to keep speculation at a minimum when discussing things in public. Of course when you saturate yourself in such things it is going to lead to some pretty far out thinking to other people. Those sort of discussions should be kept behind closed doors because it makes us look silly to scientists and academics unfamiliar with the particulars. When I see ufologists on television talking about things like there being 14 (Or whatever number a particular one thinks it is.) races visiting us, that there are bases on the moon and under our oceans, that the military has a pact with aliens, or that aliens might even have created us it makes me cringe because I know that any scientist watching is going to laugh and then change the channel. I know that the person talking is probably just speculating out loud because his case material is so bizarre that it has him grasping at straws but to the uninformed listener they just see lunacy. They are going to say to themselves, "You can't even prove that they are real yet you think you know all of that about them?" And the speaker probably wasn't even convinced of the things he was saying, was just speculating out loud, but the damage has already been done. If you don't have direct evidence for something then don't talk about it in front of a camera. Leave the theorizing to casual conversation with other ufologists in your living room over a few drinks.
There is so much nonsense saturating the UFO field now that most scientists and academics have been chased away and we desperately need them. When you read ufological books you find that most of the best documented and most convincing cases come from the 50s and 60s. And why is that? Because those years were the heyday of scientific involvement in the study of the UFO phenomenon. Cases in those days were being thoroughly investigated by competent researchers and they have stood the test of time because of it. But then the legion of crackpots showed up and ruined everything. These people were not scientifically trained and worse they had loose tongues and broad imaginations. No theory was too outrageous for them to discuss on television or produce in books. They had no data but they had all the answers. They knew we were dealing with aliens, where they were coming from, how many different races of them there was, which ones were benevolent or malevolent, which ones were in league with our government and which ones weren't, etc. The scientists involved at the time were horrified because these amateurs made them look like fools. It was guilt by association. So many of them abandoned the study of UFOs. And now we are in a situation where scientific and academic involvement in the study of this phenomenon is at an all time low and it keeps getting worse as opposed to better.
Perhaps the way to kick start this field, to restore the vigor it enjoyed in those early years, is for the major UFO organizations like MUFON and CUFOS to clean house. They need to marginalize the less critical thinkers in their midst, to separate the wheat from the chaff. If a particular member is going to embarrass the study at every turn then it should be made abundantly clear to all that the organization does not share the person's views. These bodies need to be more skeptical, more critical, and above all less speculatory if they ever hope to attract the scientific community to join the investigation. I'm not saying that data should be suppressed if it is embarrassing sounding. Instead I'm saying that all the wide eyed speculation and conspiracy slinging needs to be capped. When someone makes outrageous claims that cannot be backed up with hard data or at least credible, named witnesses then the rest of the organization needs to come out in force to debunk that person immediately and forcibly. If you don't have direct data for something then don't talk about it, simple! If this type of climate could be achieved then a new effort should be launched to reach out to scientists. The study of this subject isn't going to go anywhere without them. They have the knowledge and access to funding that this investigation so desperately needs.
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dejarma
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Wow Wick!!!!! It would take me ages to quote & reply to every bit I agree with in your above posts. So, I’ll just agree with it all. I’ve been saying things like this for ages but do not have the intelligence & vocabulary to convey it as well as you have 
What you say sums it up for me my friend! 
Excellent post Sir....
Peace.
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| Having just watched the episode on The History Channel again today, I'm left bitter with the folks of that town for going out of their way to hinder the investigation. If there is a Hell, I hope they all burn in it. |
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