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MrGray
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: Re: ZEITGEIST |
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Thats one awesome documentary with some very interesting facts and should be watched by all religions and races, the fkn US government is nuts  |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: ZEITGEIST |
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Oh brother. “Mom… I caught one”.
Yup, religion is not real and I accept that, no problem. I don’t need a documentary with a source list shorter than a high school term paper or to have be convinced that its all a deliberate conspiracy.
Religion is not a conspiracy but a fictional story that people want to believe, rather like, hmm lets see - 911 Illuminati conspiracy theories.
Massive conspiracies are too difficult to organize, people just happen to think the same. If you leave people alone they’ll create their own bondage either actively or passively, but by acting naturally. Even if people do plot to oppress on a massive scale and even if they are occasionally successful in their conspiracies, their fruits will necessarily always be in the minority compared to the pool of self-evolved enslavement through paranoia or like minded thinking.
By viewing everything from a teleological standpoint you have merely swapped one irrational belief for another. The difference however is that the irrational belief of the Christians has the redeeming accoutrements of Bernini, Borromini and Bach, rather than the son et lumiere extravaganza of a bad rave in Goa.
I have heard, however, that trying to dig out the microchip that the spooks plant in your head has the added side effect of a lobotomy.
http://smashingtelly.com/2007/11/08/zeitgeist-the-greatest-lie-ever-told/ |
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Zeiting the Geist by Jay Kinney.
The latest bit of guerrilla media to take the online universe by storm is “Zeitgeist, the Movie.” Clocking in at close to two hours’ length, and with over a million views on Google Video since its June 26th “official” release, Zeitgeist is a grabby, cranky, can’t-stop-watching-it documentary that purports to tell the real truth about Christianity, 9/11, and the International Bankers.
Exactly who is behind the video is unclear, although someone with the moniker of “Peter J.” has posted an online letter claiming credit and explaining Zeitgeist’s message to those who may have somehow failed to grasp the worldview that the video hammers home.
And what is that worldview, pray tell? Religions in general, and Christianity in particular, are primarily systems of social control. 9/11 was an inside job and the destruction of the WTC twin towers and building 7 were aided by controlled demolition. And finally, International Bankers, through the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), control our money and our future, leading to, ta da, the coming One World Government and the microchipping of everyone.
Exactly how all this fits together is left to the viewer’s imagination or, presumably, the film-maker’s hash pipe. Are those who manipulate Christianity for control purposes in cahoots with the Bankers, and were the Bankers in on the 9/11 caper? Zeitgeist sidesteps such logical questions through the use of the all-purpose term, “the elite,” a shadowy group of rich and powerful men who want nothing more than to enslave humanity and reap block-buster profits through the promotion of wars and financial crises.
For conspiracy buffs, this is all pretty standard fare, and, indeed, aficionados of the genre will find little new in “Zeitgeist.” The notions that most religions were originally a kind of solar worship, and that the Jesus Christ story recapitulated the mythos of numerous other “dying gods,” were floating around in the late 1700s. Fittingly, the video features a quote from Thomas Paine reducing Christianity to warmed-over sun worship, which was a daring bit of religion-baiting 200 years ago, albeit not so earth-shattering today.
The nefarious International Bankers meme has been propagating itself since at least the mid-1800s and has long been a mainstay of radical right-wing circles where it has often overlapped with mutterings about Jewish cabals.
The 9/11 truth segment of the video is, of course, of much more recent vintage, but, here too, it mostly repeats accusations that have gotten widespread play in the uber-skeptic milieu.
Breaking new factual ground is not what Zeitgeist is about, however. Rather, the video is a powerful and fast-acting dose of agitprop, hawking its conclusions as givens. Unfortunately, like most propaganda, it doesn’t play fair with its intended audience. At times, while watching it, I felt like I was getting Malcolm McDowell’s treatment in Clockwork Orange: eyes pried wide open while getting bombarded with quick-cut atrocity photos.
At other times, Zeitgeist engages in willful confusion by showing TV screen shots of network or cable news with voice-overs from unidentified people not associated with the news programs. If one weren’t paying close attention, the effect would be to confer the status and authority of TV news upon the words being spoken. Even when quotes or sound bites are attributed to a source, there’s no way to tell if they are quoted correctly or in context.
Late in the video, there’s a supposed quote from David Rockefeller, which, if genuine, would be an astounding confession of complicity in mass manipulation. But, of course, the quote is not sourced or dated, which renders it useless. (The video’s website does feature a Sources page, but a hodge-podge list of books, with no page numbers cited, is of little value for source verification.)
The over-all temper of the video is rather like the John Birch Society on acid, with interludes by Harry Smith. Incongruously, after spending nearly two hours trying to scare the bejeezis out of its viewers, Zeitgeist ends on an oddly upbeat note, telling us that Love — not Fear — is the answer, We are all One, and featuring sound-bites from Ram Dass and Carl Sagan.
It’s a shame, really, that Zeitgeist is, ultimately, such a mess. There are plenty of legitimate questions about what transpired on 9/11, just as there are plenty of shady doings in international finance or puzzling aspects of religious history, for that matter. And what is coming down in the name of National Security is truly unnerving. Yet, bundling them all together in disjointed fashion does justice to none of them. Time and again, Zeitgeist maximizes emotional impact at the expense of a more reasoned weighing of evidence. But, perhaps that’s the intention.
I’ve often pondered about what it might take to snap everyone out of the walking dream we collectively entered on 9/11/01. Just as the fall of the Berlin Wall provided the emotional pivot for the end of the Cold War, only a collective experience of an intensity equal to that of 9/11 might jolt us awake as to what is really happening in the corridors of power and certain undisclosed locations.
It’s my hunch that Zeitgeist is one attempt to provide such a jolt, and it does indeed pack a certain punch. Too bad it also runs off in three directions at once, and is so indiscriminate in its sources and overly certain of its conclusions. Zeitgeist may be powerful, but its power is tainted with some simplistic and pernicious memes that have already received more propagation than they deserve. The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”
Indeed.
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The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”
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Unfortunately the simple minded majority, unable to think for themselves, do indeed take it as truth. |
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The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”
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Unfortunately the simple minded majority, unable to think for themselves, do indeed take it as truth. |
I feel like voting in the majority again, this year,too 
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I have not liked this movie and I'm keep seeing it......The evidence behind it doesn't fit the entire picture they proclaim and there are a lot of loop holes. Not to mention a conclusion came out of no where. I haven't been able to finish the movie since I kept seeing the same thing over and over again......
Maybe I finish it another day when I find 2 hours of free time to waste. |
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I have not liked this movie and I'm keep seeing it......The evidence behind it doesn't fit the entire picture they proclaim and there are a lot of loop holes. Not to mention a conclusion came out of no where. I haven't been able to finish the movie since I kept seeing the same thing over and over again......
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May I suggest you start reading some US history.
Start with Howard Zinn, and throw in a lot of Noam Chomsky.
It helps to look at the alternate views, sometimes you get this in
school depending on how aware your instuctors are.Other good authors
to read:Chalmers Johnson,Peter Dale Scott, Naomi Klein,Naomi Wolf.
Start Googling these names
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The point of the film is to instigate curiosity and one's own thinking/researching will bring more answers.
All it is, is a signposts with hints of bits and pieces.
But when someone does the definitive work on "Skull and Crossbones"
and the "Bildenburg Group" with research on the entire history, then possibly this film could be put to rest as just bits.
This film sort of goes hand in hand with "The History of Oil."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159 |
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Tanks for the link Questioner. It turned my shitty day in to lovley laughing evening. Brilliant. The guy is genious.   |
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| Questioner101 wrote: |
The point of the film is to instigate curiosity and one's own thinking/researching will bring more answers.
All it is, is a signposts with hints of bits and pieces.
But when someone does the definitive work on "Skull and Crossbones"
and the "Bildenburg Group" with research on the entire history, then possibly this film could be put to rest as just bits.
This film sort of goes hand in hand with "The History of Oil."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159 |
Outstanding Questioner101
I hope there is a book "The History of Oil", maybe an Ebook |
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That is an interesting video,
I should have posted it in these forums a couple months ago but wasn't sure where to put it or if anyone would watch. Nice work Questioner101. |
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| Exactly who is behind the video is unclear, although someone with the moniker of “Peter J.” has posted an online letter claiming credit and explaining Zeitgeist’s message to those who may have somehow failed to grasp the worldview that the video hammers home. |
I believe this video may have been produced by Michael Ruppert of FromTheWilderness.com or a proponent of his. |
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