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thomaspayne
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 Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Pelosi paved way for Iran attack |
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Representative Ron Paul says House Speaker Nancy Pelosi removed a section from a bill passed by Congress which would have barred the U.S. from going to war with Iran without a congressional vote, claiming she did so at the behest of the leadership of Israel and AIPAC.
Paul, a former Republican presidential contender who formally removed himself from the party’s nomination race last week, makes the allegation on C-SPAN during a recently held foreign policy conference in Virginia.
Paul says Pelosi’s first act as House Speaker in 2006 was to “deliberately” remove a portion of a legislative spending bill which said the United States “can't go to war with Iran without getting approval from Congress.”
According to Paul, Pelosi and her allies in the chamber's Democratic leadership initially accepted the bill designed to outline an Iraq exit strategy, but during a revision of the legislation excluded the statement regarding the need for congressional approval of any military assault on the neighboring country of Iran.
“She [Pelosi] removed it deliberately,” Paul says. “And then, the astounding thing is, when asked why, she said the leadership in Israel asked her to. That was in the newspaper, that was in 'The Washington Post,' that she was asked by AIPAC and others not to do that."
Paul implies Pelosi, desperate to advance her flawed spending legislation, bargained away the proposal that would have been the House leadership's primary vehicle for challenging the administration's policies in the region.
According to John Nichols, who covered the story about Pelosi’s capitulation at the time for “The Nation,” Pelosi was "under pressure from some conservative members of her caucus, and from lobbyists associated with neoconservative groups that want war with Iran, and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).”
Paul's allegation is corroborated by 'The Asia Times', which in another article published at the time says AIPAC was strongly against attaching "a provision to a Pentagon spending bill that would require President Bush to get congressional approval before attacking Iran. AIPAC was strongly against it because it viewed the legislation as taking the military option 'off the table.' The provision was killed."
The article also cites Congressman Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, as saying [Pelosi's] decision was due to AIPAC.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe Pelosi is a MOSSAD? |
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I'm the first one to say I can;t stand Nancy Polosi, however removing this is absolutly the proper thing to do, and Ron Paul should understand why. The Constitution is very specific in granting certain powers to respective branches of the Governement.
Altering Presidential powers, or the powers of the Executive branch of the government, can not be done attached to some spending bill. Limiting the President, also Commander in Chief, would require a Constitutional amendment, where the standard of passing it is not a majority, but I believe a 2/3rds majoriety vote.
Nancy did the right legal thing, Ron Paul is full of boloney which is why he didn;t get his campaign off the ground.
If you want to support the Constitition, you have to support it all. The Constitution defines the duty, powers, and limits to the 3 branches of Government and its elected officials. |
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I'm the first one to say I can;t stand Nancy Polosi, however removing this is absolutly the proper thing to do, and Ron Paul should understand why. The Constitution is very specific in granting certain powers to respective branches of the Governement.
Altering Presidential powers, or the powers of the Executive branch of the government, can not be done attached to some spending bill. Limiting the President, also Commander in Chief, would require a Constitutional amendment, where the standard of passing it is not a majority, but I believe a 2/3rds majoriety vote.
Nancy did the right legal thing, Ron Paul is full of boloney which is why he didn;t get his campaign off the ground.
If you want to support the Constitition, you have to support it all. The Constitution defines the duty, powers, and limits to the 3 branches of Government and its elected officials. |
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| Pelosi is a MOSSAD and piece of lying communist crap. She should be impeached. She's a traitor and and a hipocryte. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| weepingwillow wrote: |
| Pelosi is a MOSSAD and piece of lying communist crap. She should be impeached. She's a traitor and and a hipocryte. |
Now you and your ilk say this...wowsers; this is about the only thing that "Stretch" Pelosi did right. Its o.k., you'll love her again.    |
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| Polosi should be impeached but not because of this. Polosi met with Syrian leaders, represented peace negotiations, misquoted Isreal, where the specific power to negotiate treaties in the Constitution is with the President and the Executive Branch of Government. Whe had no right or authority to undermine the President or the Secretary of State, where she may have disrupted other efforts by interfering. |
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| I never stood by her before. Her career should have ended long before this. She should step down. I think with this in Isreal, you'll see her leave congress. |
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"Stretch" is a freakin' Black Widow. That biotch ain't going anywhere unless stress gives her a heart attack.
 ...Now that I think about it, it could be half a dozen of one or six of the other; she may be cracking up. This really is out of charachter.  |
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| It worked for Russert! He's no longer in the way of things. Pelosi should take the same route as far as I'm concerned. She's MOSSAD. A treasoner to her country. |
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Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution:
Congress shall have the power...
To declare War,
grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
THAT is so we wouldn't end up with a dictatorial executive - especially one loyal to a FOREIGN power. |
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Artical 2 Section 2 grants the power of treaties to the President, not the speaker of the house. In fact the appoval of such treaties is the duty of the Senate, not the House of Representative. Nancy oversteped her Constitutional limits, and underminde the Executive Branch of Government.
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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session. |
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| Article twelve, section four of the real world says, and I quote: "Power does whatever the **ck it wants." Rest In Peace, George Carlin. |
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| What's your point, greeney? The power to declare war is vested in CONGRESS, not the executive. Congress has abdicated it's repsonsibilities for a long time. They are complicit in the overhtrow of our constitution, which they took an oath to protect and defend. Pelosi is a traitor, nothing less. |
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| My point is all the people here complain GWB has taken their Constitution away, and in the same breathe, ignore when someone like Polosi violates it. They even commended her for it, when she undermined the President. You can't pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you like or what fits your adgenda. Aquarian wisecracked about who I voted for, which is my Constitutional choice, but demands gay rights be protected under the same Constitution. |
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