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War Made Easy: How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death
˝War Made Easy reaches into the Orwellian memory hole to expose a 50-year pattern of government deception and media spin that has dragged the United States into one war after another from Vietnam to Iraq. Narrated by actor and activist Sean Penn, the film exhumes remarkable archival footage of official distortion and exaggeration from LBJ to George W. Bush, revealing in stunning detail how the American news media have uncritically disseminated the pro-war messages of successive presidential administrations.˝
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8383084962209910782
BRILLIANT!......must see specially for all blind and ignorant supporters of government.  |
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LoL.......well I don't fit in your catagory, but I'm gonna check it out anyway.  |
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"We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth."
You know there comes a time when such an excuse just doesn't hold up anymore. We are long past that time. If the American people are "desperate to believe" that finally an Administration isn't lying.....than obviously the American people are "quite aware" of being deceived by their own government.
I'd say the stage of being unaware or gullible or ignorant or being naive is a simple lie. Cause if people aren't lying to themselves about our usage of propaganda tactics than we are a Nation of retards.
That makes this little sentence at the beginning of the movie into a little propaganda piece as well to make us feel good.....
"We Americans are the ultimate innocents"
In war only the dead are innocent......the rest of us bear responsibility. By different degrees......but we as a people are not exempt. |
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This War has already lasted longer then WW II.
That alone says it all, if you don't know by now, you didn't want to know.
And then again some are just miserable people who hate for the sake of hate. And could careless who's being slaughtered.
In WW II, 5 out of every ten people killed were civilian. In Iraq, 9 out of every 10 people killed are civilian.
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I thought the movie showed very well how we are a nation of war. Every President has managed to keep this country involved in conflicts decade after decade. And our current pundit is proud to be a war president. At least in this respect he is being honest.
I remember ages ago bringing up the fact that with each war the death toll of civilians increases and supersedes the death toll of soldiers. It makes you wanna slap anyone who actually uses or believes in the terminology of strategic bombing, or smart weapons or them lovely daisy cutters. |
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Well I don't agree at all with Mr. Penn on the idea that Presidents have lied us into every war since WWII. Mr. Penn has less credibility than Mr. Gore, in my opinion.
Every war the USA has ever fought has been called unjustified by the antiwar mobs. This war is as justified as all the other wars we've fought. The idea that our Country should never need to defend us against an enemy intent on exterminating us and our way of life. Is just plain wrong. If our military had not fought for our freedom? We would not be free. |
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| okiejack wrote: |
Well I don't agree at all with Mr. Penn on the idea that Presidents have lied us into every war since WWII. Mr. Penn has less credibility than Mr. Gore, in my opinion.
Every war the USA has ever fought has been called unjustified by the antiwar mobs. This war is as justified as all the other wars we've fought. The idea that our Country should never need to defend us against an enemy intent on exterminating us and our way of life. Is just plain wrong. If our military had not fought for our freedom? We would not be free. |
Okie the only wars that were truly fought for our freedom was WWI and WWII. Any war after that point in time besides the cold war to a degree would not have posed a threat to your country so i am not quite sure where you are coming from by saying "we would not be free''?
Are you trying to say that if the US did not invade vietnam for instance that the vietnamese would have launched a full scale attack and threatened your way of life? Or if we didnt invade iraq that saddam would have launched chemical missles from iraq into the US?????? 
You need to get a grip on reality and realise that war is not to protect you and your country its about money and power plain and simple. |
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got to be honest, WWI was dpubtful too,,,
and WWII was just a continuation or the first.
it's money.
power,
reources..
and idiots that think donating bodies, and sacrificing same, is gloriouly patriotic, and godly. |
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| evutch wrote: |
got to be honest, WWI was dpubtful too,,,
and WWII was just a continuation or the first.
it's money.
power,
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and idiots that think donating bodies, and sacrificing same, is gloriouly patriotic, and godly. |
Yep...........That's about the way I see it. With one exception, the elite war mongers of the past believed in thier cause enough to send thier own children to war. Of course our current crop of chickenhawks don't feel getting thier own children killed is necessary. But they are quite comfortable sending yours to die. |
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Goverments are just idiots given power to do whatever they want by even more idiots that I call society.
Aslong as people put their whole faith in the goverments nothing will change. |
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| evutch wrote: |
got to be honest, WWI was dpubtful too,,,
and WWII was just a continuation or the first.
it's money.
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and idiots that think donating bodies, and sacrificing same, is gloriouly patriotic, and godly. |
...no doubt about that.
War is and always will be a racket. All warm fluffy propaganda hitting you 24/7 about it is just necessary trigger for imbeciles out there to get in line where blind leads the blind (and god knows we have plenty of those around  ) World is and some say always will be full of ignorant, mindless and down right f****** evil representatives of human branch that live and strive on power, misery of others, death, torture etc. and they rank from ordinary cannon fodder Bubba to commander and chief talking head puppet. The madness is just sickening.... |
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Goverments are just idiots given power to do whatever they want by even more idiots that I call society.
Aslong as people put their whole faith in the goverments nothing will change. |
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Well I don't agree at all with Mr. Penn on the idea that Presidents have lied us into every war since WWII. Mr. Penn has less credibility than Mr. Gore, in my opinion.
Every war the USA has ever fought has been called unjustified by the antiwar mobs. This war is as justified as all the other wars we've fought. The idea that our Country should never need to defend us against an enemy intent on exterminating us and our way of life. Is just plain wrong. If our military had not fought for our freedom? We would not be free. |
Okie the only wars that were truly fought for our freedom was WWI and WWII. Any war after that point in time besides the cold war to a degree would not have posed a threat to your country so i am not quite sure where you are coming from by saying "we would not be free''?
Are you trying to say that if the US did not invade vietnam for instance that the vietnamese would have launched a full scale attack and threatened your way of life? Or if we didnt invade iraq that saddam would have launched chemical missles from iraq into the US??????
You need to get a grip on reality and realise that war is not to protect you and your country its about money and power plain and simple. |
No there is the war of indipendance, the civil war, Spanish American war, Boxer Rebellion, Barbary wars, etc. etc. The only thing that has changed is that our great Country has been invaded by Communists that are atempting to ruin our Country. These Communist invaders pose as antiwar while waging a idealogical war aganst freedom and capitalism.
The US went to Vietnam in the early fifties to help South Vietnam prevent Communist North Vietnam from overrunning the South. The Domino Theory proved to be accurate.
You need to get a grip on reality and realise that the freedom you enjoy is not free. And that the Communist propagands you spout is not reality but rather lies and distortions intended to ruin our great Nation's freedom. |
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| okiejack wrote: |
Well I don't agree at all with Mr. Penn on the idea that Presidents have lied us into every war since WWII. Mr. Penn has less credibility than Mr. Gore, in my opinion.
Every war the USA has ever fought has been called unjustified by the antiwar mobs. This war is as justified as all the other wars we've fought. The idea that our Country should never need to defend us against an enemy intent on exterminating us and our way of life. Is just plain wrong. If our military had not fought for our freedom? We would not be free. |
You started the war with Vietnam with lies,
you had previous knowledge of Pearl Harbour (and prevoked it) and did nothing so you could get into WWII,
and the ocean liner was intentionally sent into German controlled waters during war-time too be sank, you were warned, and went ahead anyway.
So every major war you've been in was a lie, why would you think that 9/11 is any different? Especially with all the inconsistancies. You have blind faith in your government, and there is no way of convincing you of this, but maybe something will happen in the future too show you, but probably not.
Anti-war mobs?
No. Hardly. The anti-lie mob maybe.
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| The US went to Vietnam in the early fifties to help South Vietnam prevent Communist North Vietnam from overrunning the South. The Domino Theory proved to be accurate. |
No. The US went too war with Vietnam in the early fifties because Vietnamese PT boats opened fire on US destroyers in international waters if you recall correctly. Which was a lie, and when it was exposed, THEN and only then were you in Nam too liberate south Vietnam. |
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| okiejack wrote: |
| Well I don't agree at all with Mr. Penn on the idea that Presidents have lied us into every war since WWII. Mr. Penn has less credibility than Mr. Gore, in my opinion. |
Propaganda is a fact of life. It's been around for a long time I would think that you know the US is not exempt from such tactics. I would also think that you know that all sides use propaganda. If the word "lies" is that disturbing than maybe calling it "manipulation of facts" is easier to handle.
But no matter how you cut it the "truth" is not being presented.
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| Every war the USA has ever fought has been called unjustified by the antiwar mobs. |
Well sure, there is no war that can actually be justified when the casualties are mostly only civilians. Wars today consist of two opposing political entities NOT two opposing countries where their citizens are at disagreement. And politicians do not have our interest at heart.
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| This war is as justified as all the other wars we've fought. The idea that our Country should never need to defend us against an enemy intent on exterminating us and our way of life. Is just plain wrong. If our military had not fought for our freedom? We would not be free. |
We will have to disagree on the idea that we are being exterminated. Rwanda has a good idea what it means to be exterminated, not us, Besides we aren't being exterminated and no one is trying to exterminate us either. That was very dramatic ockiejack.....a little bit of propaganda coming from you.  I am always free ockiejack, nobody can give me freedom nor can they take it away all that can happen is that a political system will change. Some are better, some or worse.
We will continue to be violent towards one another as long "reaction" rules. And our country will remain in a state of war as long as financial institutions can milk the cow. It isn't liberty, freedom, democracy or the pursuit to happiness that rules our nation. |
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