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SiivZ
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As always they claimed to have filmed it and taken pictures but as all other "real claims" they dot show what they say...
So this is just BS untill they show it.
And when they do show it I`ll make up my mind... |
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| I'd like to see the footage. |
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| I've been chasing this stuff for years - and it's alwys the same. A great claim, backed by little or no footage, or else the footage is so messed up you can't tell if it's a ufo or a graham cracker on a string. Maddening, it is. |
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Great link siivz both, the independent ie and the other forum.
Let me ask you people, what is so fascinating about UFOs?
Is it the potentiality that another life form could exist "out there" as they say on tv?
Mulder who believes in extraterrestrials and Scully who is the level headed thinker (if I remember well) this be called the X files.
Ok, when I was 8 years old I saw a so called UFO in the sky and the worst part was that the so called UFO was also following me and stopping when I was stopping. I had no camera and I don't have to be believed. But other people saw that flying object at around the time I saw the "freaks" who invaded my space. If I remember well this UFO sighting was printed in the local paper in Belgium and that was in February something 1974. A long time ago, but I can't forget because of what I heard from inside the so called UFO.
There are jokes and there are really bad jokes.
If people believe there are aliens, they will always say amen to have military and armies to protect them. If a country becomes manipulative enough to scare people in other place of the world with UFO then yes people will all vote to keep the army and Defence.
But if like Scully people keep a cool level headed behaviour and really look at what that flying object is, chances are the UFO theory will vanish completely.
Perhaps, people would wish to be visited by aliens, after all this sounds exotic enough to me. But what about the earth and its inhabitants? Aren't we enough and so desinteresting to each other?
As a world people can barely cope with each other within countries and across frontiers. What would aliens provide that no human could be able to provide nowadays? Peace of mind perhaps.
And perhaps, the first alien who would try to engage discussion with human would be rebuked like a fool or shot down because it had a bad breath.
Do you really think there are aliens? |
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Do you really think there are aliens? |
do you? i do...... but the big question is: "are they here"?
it's not impossible but going by the data so far i'd say no! |
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| saw the article. wheres the beef? |
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| A long time ago, but I can't forget because of what I heard from inside the so called UFO. |
Okay, are you going to keep us in suspense forever, or feed us the rest? What did you hear? Can you describe the sound  |
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Personally, I believe life, intelligent & advanced, exists in the universe. If Earth is relatively 'young' in the universe, and life here has advanced this far, then, imagine how far life has had the chance to advance given miilions of years over us alone.
And with that much advancement, it is EASY to think that they could have a propulsion method/system that enables them to zip around the universe. Dimensional travel could easily be a method. They may not need to travel 'across the universe' to get to us. It may be just as simple as stepping through a door from their end of the universe to our neighborhood.
Then there's the question of "why come to Earth?" Well, why not? Just look how curious we are of our closest planets, and neighboring galaxies. Without ANY doubt, I KNOW if we could, we'd be out there cruising the galaxies with great curiosity.
So, it really isn't hard to believe they simply are coming here on one stop of many out of equal or greater curiosity. Who knows?
We could also simply be a pit stop on their way to visit a planet with a more advanced civilization than ours.
So, yes, I believe intelligent alien life exists, they have the means to make it to our neighborhood and they have already done so. The greater questions I have is why aren't they making themselves known, how long have they been coming here, and are we a destination for them, or a pit stop? |
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There are aliens, they just don't come here to Earth.
The simple fact is thats it's mathematically near impossible not to have aliens out there in the universe, and I'm not even talking about the number of Xerox Duplicates of Earth that exist in this Universe.
The reason they don't come here is physics. The only known way to get here is by nuclear photonic rocket which is 50% Light speed on the best of days. That means from here to Alpha Centauri and back is a 16+ year journey. Just find any star you like find its distance and double that and you get a one way trip time (The + is for all the time spent in acceleration and deceleration.)
FTL is a total unknown because it means either creating gravitational folds in spacetime or using gravity to create stable wormholes, or punching a hole into another universe and then back into ours. This is apretty much an unknown. Further more take the disatnce into theequation again. If want to know where you are going you have to find out where. EArth has only been casting about 100 years now, so any life forms had to have detected us within that hundred years meaning somewhere within a hundred light years of Earth there would have to be a habitable planet. Thats a 200+ year journey one way. The alternative is a very ancient civilization is just meandering about wasting fuel looking for life among billions of planets.
Basically the stiuff we see is from here on Earth. |
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Aqua,
I have to respectfully disagree. All your computations on space are limited by one thing, our science. Like I said, give an intelligent civilization millions of years advancement on us, and it isn't hard at all to believe they have figured out another means of space flight. Just look how far we've advanced in less than 100 years alone.
Yes, by utilizing ONLY our known propulsion systems, there's no way they can travel here from elsewhere. Now, if you give way to the IDEA that they might, JUST might, have figured out something else in the millions of years that they are ahead of us on this, it is probable that FTL to them would be like us using a hot air balloon today to travel in the air.
I don't think it is logical at all to take our limited understanding of propulsion, and very limited number of years of space flight experience (measured in only decades) and assume that another civilization, millions of years ahead of us, couldn't possibly have another means of travel established.
And, what if, just IF mind you, they also have the technology in place to detect "light" that has only been casting about 10yrs? Then, they'd certainly be able to detect us since we've been 'casting' 10x that long.
You are limiting your views by ONLY allowing for OUR technology to be the most advanced science in the universe. We could be sooooo far behind the curve on this, that our science is completely laughable to an intelligent civilization that's been around millenia longer than we have.
Can you imagine talking to Columbus and telling him he could travel to America and back to Spain in under a day. I could see it now, he'd pull out his instruments, show you his calculations, and proudly proclaim your "opinion" as impossible given the "known" limits of science. And we are only separated by a few hundred years here.
The "laws" of science routinely change every few decades years or so. I wouldn't be too fast to hold hard to that "FTL" belief. It could be changing soon.  |
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Nuclear photonic rockets and solar sails are out of the question. The acceleration rate is far too slow, you could live full lifetimes without ever reaching your destinaton. The slow-boat Saturn-Apollo example published years ago, taking 40 or more years to reach Alpha Centauri system, serves as a good example. One solution would be to use chemical reaction rockets to gain initial acceleration and 'coast' to higher velocity, using something like a Laser photon drive, or maybe matter-antimatter annihilation drives similar to Gene Roddenberry's system from Star Trek. Yes, there was Science in that Fiction.
Maybe an integrated system using multiple power sources will prove to be the answer in the near future, but I get the impression that the sci-fi theme involving stumbling across a slow-moving colony ship believed lost with a newer ship years later could easily happen. Meanwhile, we need to work on Cryonic technology, to find a way to sleep through the 'boring' part of future journeys. |
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A laser photon drive is a nuclear photonic rocket or atleast its immediate equivelent. You're using light for thrust,
Smokin Joe. Light is something that has a known velocity. Thus all our radio transmissions travel at a known velocity. Detecting a light transmission 4+ light years a way at the instantaneous time of transmission would be very difficult. I can see only s god doing it on a whim. They'd need a something like a SETI and be scanning the universe. Furthermore, why come here here among the billions of planets. I'll give you a hint, they don't come here. As far as I can tell if the reports are of their behavoir its that they behave like drunken high school kids tipping cows, yep real intelligence. I'll tell you something else all the stuff we see is from here on Earth, not necessarily made by humans, but its still from one of this planet's native species. |
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Again, you are only referring to our known limited knowledge, i.e. light velocity. I'm speaking hypothetcially about possible future tech. Big difference. I already said using our known science, it is impossible. I don't disagree w/ science's current (and temporary) view on space travel. Our limited understanding makes it impossible for us to go out there.
By no means does that mean it's impossible for intelligent life to travel here, (especially given the millions of years that many earth like planets alone have on us in evolving.)
Why do we explore mountains, ice frozen continents and why send someone to Mars?? I've give YOU a hint, we are explorers. You hint as to why you think intelligent life wouldn't come here and that's fine. I hint that there's a good reason why they would. They simply explore the universe. We are only one stop of many. Like I keep saying ad nauseum, we could very well just be a pit stop on their journeys.
My experience is obviously different than yours. You question if they would even come here. For me, that question has been answered. Can I prove it. NOPE. And I won't bother. All I know is I've moved on to the "why" since my experiences have already answered the other question.
So, while you are certain they wouldn't come here, I'm focused on another issue altogether. "WHY?"..
P.S. cow tipping is for farm boys. I don't believe they visit here to molest cows either. |
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Again, you are only referring to our known limited knowledge, i.e. light velocity. I'm speaking hypothetcially about possible future tech. Big difference. I already said using our known science, it is impossible. I don't disagree w/ science's current (and temporary) view on space travel. Our limited understanding makes it impossible for us to go out there.
By no means does that mean it's impossible for intelligent life to travel here, (especially given the millions of years that many earth like planets alone have on us in evolving.) |
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