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etraveler13
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Finally Some Action
10/15/2008
http://piaroh.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/finally-some-action/?referer=sphere_related_content/
Even Obama, the media’s darling, is not immune to scandal. Frankly, I find it scandalous that this news has taken so long to filter down.
Simply put, he’s being sued for not being a US Citizen.
Following is an article by TD Blog concerning the latest controversy. [http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/] You may find the full article at that site.
Update 2, 10/12/08 10:40 AM ET: Since originally posting this story Saturday, Atty. Philip Berg’s office informed us that they cannot discuss this matter due to pending litigation, which is understandable. They also informed us that Berg is NOT collaborating with Ed Hale, moderator of a site, “Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain” and host of a radio show. We have had no direct contact with Ed Hale, and have no idea whether he’s truthful or not. Whether or not the “tip” we received is accurate, only time will tell. At this time, we have no further independent verification. However, the reason we published this story and the reason we will keep the story on this blog is that the language in Berg’s filing — which is a matter of public record — is specific about the Kenyan birth place, and we assume that the claim is based on something besides wishful thinking.
Update 1, 10/11/08: Please note that the information about the Kenyan BC is based on a tip that has not yet been verified. The information about the lawsuit is confirmed, and was taken from the court record.
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Judah Benjamin’s analysis follows the Foreword.
TD Foreword: Those who have followed this blog know that our working assumption has been that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. We have asserted that Obama’s legal name and citizenship changed when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, and that the birth certificate image published on Obama’s campaign website does not reflect current records. You can read the previous articles referenced at the end of this post to catch up on our analysis.
We now wonder if our assumption about Obama’s birth place was wrong.
I have received an unverified tip that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.
Reportedly this BC reflects information filed Oct. 9 by Philip Berg. See item #18 on this docket, page 10, the relevant language of which, underlined in red, is captured here in a screen shot:
It reads:
…Obama was born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya located in Coast Province…
We do not currently have any additional confirmation of this new information. If it is an accurate tip, the implications are disastrous for Senator Obama and his backers. For that analysis, we proceed to Judah Benjamin…
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Barack Hussein Obama II
By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg’s Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.
British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.
If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].
Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.
If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen.
Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.
Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”
So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.
Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.
There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?
“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”
This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:
“; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:”
It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
Likewise it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the “very single mother” canard. Were he illegitimate there is precedent and Statute that says if his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth he would have become a Citizen of the USA at Birth under Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. However, as Miller v Albright, 523 US 420 (1998) demonstrates there is, and was, a split in the Supreme Court as to whether this Law is in fact Constitutional under the XIVth Amendment. A new case might change the precedent. For now it stands.
I do not insist that any of this is true and to me it makes little difference if it is, I hold him Ineligible anyway and have seen no solid Legal Rebuttal of my view from any source, but if he was born in Kenya he has, and can have, no defense of any description and any Document he has from Hawaii is Fraudulent on several levels.
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The following is the reply from Michelle Obama. Full article available: http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/
I personally find her statement distasteful.
In any case, TD Blog, as the main instigator, as replied as well: http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/breaking-michelle-obama-confirms-barack-is-indonesian/
According to African Press International, Michelle Obama called API to complain about the reports by bloggers that challenge her husband’s eligibility…
“….I can tell the American people that My husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner; says Michelle Obama on telefon to API.”
Those who have followed this blog know that we have asserted that Barack Obama may still have Indonesian citizenship. It is probable that he is either a naturalized US citizen, or illegal.
Michelle said, according to API:
My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by His step father.
Well, first of all, we’re not racist. And secondly, YES, there is a law. There are actually several laws.
If Obama was adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, as we’ve theorized on this blog, then he became an Indonesian citizen, and most likely forfeited, putting the status of his US citizenship in question. Also, unless he formally renounced his Indonesian citizenship by the age of 21, he would STILL BE Indonesian.
Not only does it appear that Obama has dual citizenship, which in and of itself if constitutionally problematic for a President — It’s now a serious inquiry as to whether Barack Obama is a legal natural-born US citizen.
My own sleuthing has thrown up a bit more dirt. U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega, an Obama supporter and superdelegate, visited Indonesia last year to procure all documentation of a certain Barry Soetoro. I continue to reserve final judgment, but I do note that there was a large use of diplomatic funds, which are not subject to inquiry short of Congrssional order.
There is of course the lurking suspicion of conspiracy theory involved, though I would say if it is one, it has been very well done indeed. Michelle Obama’s statement has certainly not helped clear things up in any way either. It would be advisable for investigation to begin in the States with Obama himself; to go from the other end, namely Kenya, would involve the Kenyan, British and international courts. Indonesia will have to somehow cough up all his records and documentation as well (if any are left).
Certainly, you won’t be hearing this from the Obama-is-the-Messiah-crazed media. McCain’s age, Palin’s investigation and GOP big-money politics along Wall Street are infinitely more interesting. I am also pleased to note that right-wing bloggers display a lot more level-headedness and flame-happy lefties.
Piaroh-Cze:
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Latest news on Donofrio Case with SCOTUS
SCOTUS is going to put a hold on the electors on Friday until all the issues surrounding Barack Obama can be resolved.
http://www.democratic-disaster.com/index.php?topic=1262.0
so far, just a rumor from a source, but it should be known tomorrow, if its true or not... |
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Oh this would be funny.
I hope they find out the truth, that he is not an American citizen.
Just the fact that he went to school in Indonesia at a time when you can't hold duel citizenships is enough to look into this matter. How friggan great will it be when they throw his illegal ass out of the country after being elected President?
Will the Dems look really stupid? stay tuned .... 
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This lawssuit by Berg has been going on and on since the primaries.
But back then it was dismissed by loads of people (Reps and Dems) as a nutjob lawsuit. Was even brought up prior to the election due to discussions about McCain being born in Panama. Some loophole there that Cleared McCain.
It's funny how only now that McCain lost the Mainstream Rep party finally following this. When before it was just us Ron Paul nutjobs that were following it. |
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Shadowfx,
McCain was born on a military base, therefore was a natural born us citizen. Obamas' situation is much different. We have followed this as long as Ron Paul nutters have.
There are other lawsuits filed on this very issue. they are not all from Berg.
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| It don't matter, Obama is the reincarnation of Jesus to lots of people, especially the media, and they will continue believe in his lies. He will get away with it. |
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By followed it do you mean, skipped right over it and dismissed it until you finally saw what came about from the elections?
Now grasping at straws instead of when prior to the election in support of Berg it could have actually mattered? Or at least had an effect?
Obama's win w asn't a landslide at all. McCain was very close in the states he needed to pull the electoriate. Something like this spoken about openly back then could have helped.
Anyways doesn't matter. Obama's the holy one to the people (at least for a while). Of course people will still believe that he's some sort of "Change". Guess Clinton and Carter admins must have been change as well.
It's also funny how so many Obama supporters went quiet when the cabinet picks and talks about how change will take time in this economy came about. Guess they didn't get what they asked for... Or did they. |
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By followed it do you mean, skipped right over it and dismissed it until you finally saw what came about from the elections?
Now grasping at straws instead of when prior to the election in support of Berg it could have actually mattered? Or at least had an effect?
Obama's win w asn't a landslide at all. McCain was very close in the states he needed to pull the electoriate. Something like this spoken about openly back then could have helped.
Anyways doesn't matter. Obama's the holy one to the people (at least for a while). Of course people will still believe that he's some sort of "Change". Guess Clinton and Carter admins must have been change as well.
It's also funny how so many Obama supporters went quiet when the cabinet picks and talks about how change will take time in this economy came about. Guess they didn't get what they asked for... Or did they. |
I approached my Democrat friends about this very same issue with his Cabinet and they were very hesitant to discuss it. I feel many "progressives" voted for Obama thinking he would bring truly liberal policies and policymakers. So far, Obama has betrayed at-least 50% of his liberal constituency which helped him get elected in 37 primary states. |
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I couldn't agree more.
I'll be suprised if they speak up though. We'll just have to wait and see.
lol.. he's not even in office yet.
Change we can believe in....lol. That's going to be the funniest thing when it's brought up in the next election. |
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The longer we can keep him out of office the better.
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Ahh crap.. I agree with this even more. |
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